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Old 05-31-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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I understand what Jesus is saying here and what He is not saying. What I am pointing out is the literal belief in the bible kills you.

By the way the only enemy we really have is our own carnal thinking.
How does Jesus' genealogy kill you?

How does Paul's literally asking the saints to take up a collection for the poor kill you?

How does Paul literally being an apostle kill you?

How does Jesus literally healing people kill you? I could go on all day, but it would kill me to have to do that.
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Old 05-31-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: New England
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How does Jesus' genealogy kill you?

How does Paul's literally asking the saints to take up a collection for the poor kill you?

How does Paul literally being an apostle kill you?

How does Jesus literally healing people kill you? I could go on all day, but it would kill me to have to do that.
Life is in the Spirit of the Word not in the text of it. I am surprised that you do not see this.

And when all the flocks were gathered there, they rolled the stone from the mouth of the well, and watered the sheep, and put the stone again on the mouth of the well in its place. Genesis 29:3

The stone that needs to be removed is the literal understanding. Remove this way of thinking then you reach the living water.

Tell me does knowing Paul is an apostle give you Life.or knowing the genealogy of Jesus give you Life ?. Of cause it doesn't.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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Very sad story. Bible literalism will always kill you.
The failure to understand the Hebrew origin of the verse killed him.
"picking up snakes" means "handling an enemy"
It's a Hebrew idiom.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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They get their idea that a Christian can do this from Mark 16, unfortunately, what they refuse to consider is that it has been discovered that the oldest texts do not have anything past verse 8. So they are putting faith in words that are not from God.
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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A "serpent-handling" West Virginia pastor died after his rattlesnake bit him during a church ritual, just as the man had apparently watched a snake kill his father years before.

Pentecostal pastor Mark Wolford, 44, hosted an outdoor service at the Panther Wildlife Management Area in West Virginia Sunday, which he touted on his Facebook page prior to the event.

'Serpent-Handling' West Virginia Pastor Dies From Snake Bite - Yahoo! News
stupid is as stupid does.

The Bible does not command us to do that nonsense. That kind of stuff just annoys me. It's extremely sad, but the guy did it to himself.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The failure to understand the Hebrew origin of the verse killed him.
"picking up snakes" means "handling an enemy"
It's a Hebrew idiom.
An old thread resurrected. Hopefully some of the literalistic believers will read this thread carefully and get a clue about some other spiritual things written in the bible besides just the handling of snakes.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:04 AM
 
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How does Jesus' genealogy kill you?

How does Paul's literally asking the saints to take up a collection for the poor kill you?

How does Paul literally being an apostle kill you?

How does Jesus literally healing people kill you? I could go on all day, but it would kill me to have to do that.
Showing one the logical conclusion of their false teachings is exposing them to the truth. I hope they can handle it. I wonder if they will understand it!
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:55 AM
 
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The failure to understand the Hebrew origin of the verse killed him.
"picking up snakes" means "handling an enemy"
It's a Hebrew idiom.
So you don't think he read and took it literally ?

they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:56 AM
 
Location: New England
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How does Jesus' genealogy kill you?

How does Paul's literally asking the saints to take up a collection for the poor kill you?

How does Paul literally being an apostle kill you?

How does Jesus literally healing people kill you? I could go on all day, but it would kill me to have to do that.
Eusebias you know exactly what I m referring to.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:14 AM
 
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So you don't think he read and took it literally ?

they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
I'm sorry, but where does it say we should make a ritual of just picking up snakes? I don't see anywhere in the Gospels Jesus picking up snakes and telling us as often as we do it, do it in remembrance of Him. The ritual is the dumb thing.

What those verses are saying, is when we need to, we would be able to do those things because of who we are in Him. The most obvious example is when a snake bit Paul, and he threw it into the fire and wasn't harmed. Paul didn't go looking for snakes he could pick up, for no apparent reason, just for the fun of it.

Let me ask you something pcamps. Do you believe Jesus and the disciples did miracles?
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