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Old 08-05-2012, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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He, who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone.
Why did Christ Jesus, not cast a stone? He was without sin, wasn't he?

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn humanity, but to save it."

(Paraphrased, with quotations)
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:37 PM
 
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Why did Christ Jesus, not cast a stone? He was without sin, wasn't he?

That's what His enemies who were trying to trick Him wanted Him to do.

If Christ threw a stone, he would be violating His own Law.

God's Law requires the testimony of at least TWO witnesses to establish guilt.

Read my first post on this topic.



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Old 08-06-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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That's what His enemies who were trying to trick Him wanted Him to do.

If Christ threw a stone, he would be violating His own Law.

God's Law requires the testimony of at least TWO witnesses to establish guilt.

Read my first post on this topic.
A person who is a witness against that of another in a crime or wrongdoing is innocent; not an accomplice, unless, they are guilty themselves.
For there to be two witnesses, two men would have to incriminate themselves. Perhaps, it was Billy, Joe, Jim, Bob, who all walked away?

I do not disagree with your point, but there is more to the story:

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn humanity, but to save it."
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:31 AM
 
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The stones that some people caste , comes out of their mouth and they tell others of their indifference to wards sinners , were if No prayer to thaw the ought , Then rebellion against the commands of the Word of the Lord will happen and the devil can take this authority of witchcraft and build walls of indifference which will block the Lord out and create curses and these prayers from these people they spoke against will go unheard..... So then these people must repent and command the Blood prayer through the power of Holy Spirit command and break these curses of walls of witchcraft....... Why is it witchcraft?........Every thing outside the commands and Words , and will of God is witchcraft, as it is not of God , so people must know the character and Words of God to discern this ....... So to know God means ``Caste down your stones to the ground ``... as believers speak against gays or evolutionist , or different religions , pray for these and ask others to pray so Jesus can do that ...
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Speaking as a Christian, why do so many Christians ignore this passage? I know of several who love to gleefully judge others, and do so with great relish, almost as if they enjoy it.
Are you also aware of such passages as Matthew 18, Ephesians 5 that tell us we ought to expose sin within our midst?

No...none of us are perfect...but we are forgiven. As a result we ought to seek to live a life of thankful obedience in gratitude.


I'm curious though...are you speaking in reference to a particular group or incident? If it's the Westboro Baptist inbreeds, we all condemn them. They are not Christians. They are not a real church. We don't claim them and we unilaterally condemn them.

Is it another issue?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Speaking as a Christian, why do so many Christians ignore this passage? I know of several who love to gleefully judge others, and do so with great relish, almost as if they enjoy it.
Many Christians put each other to death for their sins?

Really? When was the last time that you watched a group of Christians kill another Christian?

I have seen it, in Kosovo; but my question is to you, the OP when have you seen Christians, standing as Christians, and kill someone?



Now judging others is an entirely different subject matter. And judging is addressed separately in the Bible.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Are you also aware of such passages as Matthew 18, Ephesians 5 that tell us we ought to expose sin within our midst?

No...none of us are perfect...but we are forgiven. As a result we ought to seek to live a life of thankful obedience in gratitude.


I'm curious though...are you speaking in reference to a particular group or incident? If it's the Westboro Baptist inbreeds, we all condemn them. They are not Christians. They are not a real church. We don't claim them and we unilaterally condemn them.

Is it another issue?
No. I grew up Southern Baptists and they (the ones I have come into contact with) seemed to enjoy condemning people, but felt they, themselves, were above judgement
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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Are you also aware of such passages as Matthew 18, Ephesians 5 that tell us we ought to expose sin within our midst?

No...none of us are perfect...but we are forgiven. As a result we ought to seek to live a life of thankful obedience in gratitude.


I'm curious though...are you speaking in reference to a particular group or incident? If it's the Westboro Baptist inbreeds, we all condemn them. They are not Christians. They are not a real church. We don't claim them and we unilaterally condemn them.

Is it another issue?
What you have to remember is, whatever you throw comes back to you, whatever you expose in another the same comes back to you. It all comes under the law of giving and receiving and the law of sowing and reaping.

Righteous discernment is to not even consider picking up rocks.

He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends. Proverbs 17:9

Study to shew yourself approved unto God 2 Tim 2:15
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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No. I grew up Southern Baptists and they (the ones I have come into contact with) seemed to enjoy condemning people, but felt they, themselves, were above judgement
I grew up Southern Baptist as well.

On occasion I have experienced others who likewise find pleasure in condemning others.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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There is no way of determining right from wrong without judging. Refering to the scriptures like the Bereans did is the only way one can judge who is a false teacher \ false church from one who is speaking the truth. One isn't able to "reconize them by their fruits" without judging.

As a theologian once wrote:
When an apparent Bible inconsistency or contradiction surfaces, many people not only assume one of the Bible verses cannot be right but also then proceed to quote the one they like and ignore the one they dislike. What they forget is that the context is usually necessary to properly understand each verse. When context is considered, alleged contradictions and much confusion usually disappear.

With that in mind, open your Bible and ponder the contexts of Matthew 7:1 and Luke 6:37, where we are instructed not to judge or we ourselves will be judged.

If we read the verses following Matthew 7:1, we quickly learn that Jesus warns against a critical spirit that stems from pride or some form of hypocrisy (7:2-5). But we are to judge ourselves or take the plank from our own eye prior to judging our brother or taking the sawdust speck from his eye. We dare not be in the business of criticizing others without cause, with a superior attitude, or with intent to harm rather than help. If we ignore healthy and honest self-judgment, we too easily pass judgment on people or things of which we ourselves may be guilty. With that understanding in mind, Jesus says, "Don’t judge!"

... the Bible does call us to judge people and teachings. Return to the same context of Matthew 7. Verse 6 instructs us not to waste what is holy or valuable on "dogs" or "pigs." To do this necessitates determining or judging whether another person fits that category. Verses 16 and 20 assure us that by their fruit, that is their lifestyles and teachings, we will recognize false prophets. That involves forming judgments. The context, then, tells us that Jesus is not condemning or forbidding all judging, only a certain kind of judging.

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