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It is fortunate that only PART within each of us is ever sinful . . . not ALL of us.
Yes. And also that the part that is sinful only has power when we are putting our attention on it rather than on the power of Christ/Love within us to triumph over it.
Mike, God gave faith to everyone who believes. Otherwise no one could or would believe.
We are saved by grace so that no one can boast.
Faith does not come from God. I have already explained why in post #4.Ephesians 2:8 is not referring to faith as the gift from God, but that salvation is a gift from God. That gift is taken possession of through a faith response to the gospel message.
I'm so very glad to see you back again, Cimaroon. I've missed you. I enjoy reading your intelligent presentations.
I agree with you. We were given an earnest of the Spirit when we believed. An earnest is not all that will be eventually received. It is a pledge that in due time, the whole will be given. This earnest payment is enough for us to begin to see the goodness and plan of God but it is not the whole and if it is not the whole then we are unable to be now what we will be when we receive the full payment of the Spirit and I agree with you, Cimaroon, that we will not have the fullness of the spirit until we bear the new heart that God will give us. If what we have now enables us to be perfect, then why is it called an earnest and why would we ever need anymore. Yes, if one were to be honest, as of yet, we still are impure and though many have a strong self control, we can't declare that we are perfect yet and I would bet, that when one does, he will pretty soon thereafter do, think and/or say something which is not a fruit of the Spirit.
We are given a measure of faith, some have a larger measure than others and like Paul, are able to do much more to further the Kingdom of Heaven. Some are just barely able to trust God for their food in the next day or two.
When I see men/women walking into hospitals and healing people on command, then I will believe that/those persons are walking embodiments of Christ. I don't mean an isolated healing here and there but the kind of miracles that empty hospitals. Christ Himself didn't heal everyone because that wasn't His mission at the time, but He said that we would be able to do greater things than He did and I don't see that happening. I mean I would think that the wind and sea will obey these persons, and every and any infirmity known to man, including missing limbs replaced, be gone from the victims. I think I'm pretty safe in believing that won't happen until the first resurrection.
To be spiritually minded is life and peace. You cannot have(experience the reality of it) life and peace while you believe you are desperately wicked.
You cannot experience truth if you do not recognize the fact that you are desperately wicked!!!
Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
1 John 3:6-10
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
If you commit sin it does not matter whether you know you are sinning or not(whether willful or ignorant) you are not a child of God. We are first born as children of the flesh. When this flesh dies we are sown in the ground in corruption but we are raised in incorruption (children of promise...I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. Ez 36:29 this is God's promise and when he delivers us from the flesh we are children born of God hence why we can no longer commit sin for there is no longer any sin within us.)
You cannot experience truth if you do not recognize the fact that you are desperately wicked!!!
Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
1 John 3:6-10
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
If you commit sin it does not matter whether you know you are sinning or not(whether willful or ignorant) you are not a child of God. We are first born as children of the flesh. When this flesh dies we are sown in the ground in corruption but we are raised in incorruption (children of promise...I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. Ez 36:29 this is God's promise and when he delivers us from the flesh we are children born of God hence why we can no longer commit sin for there is no longer any sin within us.)
I feel we will go around in circles on this one. Keep seeing yourself as a beast and experience what you believe is the truth that comes from that. I formerly believed that way and was of all men most miserable,and nothing but sin conscious,continually sitting in judgement on myself and the sin I saw in others.saw no good in myself or others and couldn't help but reflect how I saw myself . As a man thinks in his heart so IS HE, sorry to sayyou are experiencing the same thing if you believe you are a desperately wicked beast.
You cannot experience truth if you do not recognize the fact that you are desperately wicked!!!
Cimaroon, Jesus said that he is truth. Why does one need to "recognize they are desperately wicked" in order to experience Jesus/truth, in your opinion?
Cimaroon, Jesus said that he is truth. Why does one need to "recognize they are desperately wicked" in order to experience Jesus/truth, in your opinion?
Exactly.
When we see The Truth we put our faith in Him. Truth is God, not what we became having taken our eyes of God. Look to Him and Live.
He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. John 2:11
Cimaroon, Jesus said that he is truth. Why does one need to "recognize they are desperately wicked" in order to experience Jesus/truth, in your opinion?
If we're not sinful, why do we need Jesus/God?
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And also that the part that is sinful only has power when we are putting our attention on it rather than on the power of Christ/Love within us to triumph over it.
