Which one is right? (mystic, Jesus Christ, salvation, faith)
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Christians love to claim they their God/religion is the ONLY way & the truth. However there is a problem with that. There are so many different denominations how can they be sure who is right & who is wrong? They fight amongst themselves while trying to convince the rest of us that they are right. Something is wrong here
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Ah, c'mon reed, you are a better poster than to try to start an argument on such a played out and lame subject. Tsk tsk on you.
And, as a Christian who does not claim what you claim we claim (another not-nice ploy on your part), I would find your slur offensive if I were the type to be easily offended.
Whatsa matter, bad day today?
Edit: But hell, I see some people went ahead and answered with their own thoughts, so it's all good, I guess. And you didn't return, so I guess it was just a game after all.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Well, it is to you and it is to me. To many Christians, it's of little consequence.
I didn't shrug it off. My point, which you seem to be missing is that every Christian seems to have his own list of what's important and what's not.
I'm sorry, but I never did deny that, and I never even mentioned the Book of Mormon. Had I mentioned the Book of Mormon, though, I would have made a point of saying that it testifies of Jesus Christ from beginning to end and says there is no other means given (other than Jesus Christ) by which we can be reconciled to God. And that message is exactly what is taught in the New Testament.
And from my point of view, there is a difference, too. I'm merely saying that we all draw the line at a different place. How do we know which of us is drawing the line at the place in which God Himself would draw it?
Yes, the OP is right. There are serious differences between sects and denominations, and that calls into question Christianity itself.
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Originally Posted by ChristyGrl
That is the biggest problem with the bible itself....ALL of these contradictory teachings that can ALL be backed up by scripture. It's better to just LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF and, in turn, you show your love for God...and allow the still small voice within you to guide you into the truth...that way there is no contention with anyone and no need to get into senseless arguments about contentious scripture. Just saying...
Yes. The mystic wins over the scripturalist. Go for God directly, don't expect dead scriptures to bring you there.
Yes, the OP is right. There are serious differences between sects and denominations, and that calls into question Christianity itself.
Yes. The mystic wins over the scripturalist. Go for God directly, don't expect dead scriptures to bring you there.
The scripture is never the issue. Thinking because you are saved from eternal hell and going to heaven,you have been given understanding of the scripture is the issue,this is not scriptural, you're still lost as far as I am concerned if you believe this, you heard something other than the good news.
The scriptures are not dead in my opinion, they are living and vibrant when read in the right spirit. The mystic sees beyond the sacred page.
Well, it is to you and it is to me. To many Christians, it's of little consequence.
I didn't shrug it off. My point, which you seem to be missing is that every Christian seems to have his own list of what's important and what's not.
I'm sorry, but I never did deny that, and I never even mentioned the Book of Mormon. Had I mentioned the Book of Mormon, though, I would have made a point of saying that it testifies of Jesus Christ from beginning to end and says there is no other means given (other than Jesus Christ) by which we can be reconciled to God. And that message is exactly what is taught in the New Testament.
And from my point of view, there is a difference, too. I'm merely saying that we all draw the line at a different place. How do we know which of us is drawing the line at the place in which God Himself would draw it?
These debates about what is required for salvation are utterly incomprehensible to me. Virtually all will agree that Christ is the Savior and we have nothing to do with it. Yet . . . illogically and incomprehensibly . . . they will begin to argue about what it is we need to do to be saved!! God preserve my sanity.
Did your "cosmic" experience involve Jesus in any way, MysticPHd?
In a way . . . i believe it did. It was the unmistakable nature of the consciousness I encountered (unconditional love and acceptance) that led me out of atheism to Jesus. The descriptions and teaching of Christ exactly mirror the unmistakable sense I receive in deep meditation. It could be no other consciousness, IMO.
These debates about what is required for salvation are utterly incomprehensible to me. Virtually all will agree that Christ is the Savior and we have nothing to do with it. Yet . . . illogically and incomprehensibly . . . they will begin to argue about what it is we need to do to be saved!! God preserve my sanity.
You are right because it does at least start with Jesus. That's enough said right there. But, people still want to believe that salvation to us is too good to be true as if God would give us salvation then tell us oh by the way, you aren't able to be saved anymore because you didn't leap frog through all of these DOCTRINAL INTERPRETATIONS BY OUR DIFFERENT RELIGIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED COMPLETELY. It's as if what Jesus did for all of us wasn't quite enough without us helping Jesus out. Does Jesus really need our help to save us from ourselves? Hell NO!!!!
Same reason why American Citizens have different points of view. Yet we are all still Americans.
Christians are Christians if they have a relationship with God thru Jesus Christ and try their best to follow in His teachings. Denominations differ in personality and style. Pick the one that fits your personality and style as long as they teach what Jesus taught.
Any denomination that claims it only has the truth and the others don't is not of God.
When Jesus was in the world, there was no such thing as "Christians". It's a man-made concept. In the same way - in the world to come there will be no Americans, Russians, Chinese, no yellow, red, black or white and no male or female. Oneness is beyond sensory perception. If you have ever experienced the Oneness of God, you are in the minority and very blessed.
Not really reed067, there's no need to "be sure who is right & who is wrong", just go with the compassionate, respectful and kind ones, THEY are the people (what ever their denomination) that are "right".
People may not remember your name or what you looked like, but they will remember how you made them feel and how you treated them. People know love in any language.
It's as if what Jesus did for all of us wasn't quite enough without us helping Jesus out. Does Jesus really need our help to save us from ourselves? Hell NO!!!!
I wonder why people who believe that we are saved by faith alone always put it this way. Believing that Jesus Christ expects us to be faithful to Him and obedient to our Father in Heaven's commandments is not the same thing as implying that He "needs our help." It's such a twisted way of looking at things. I believe that God wants me to become a better person. I can only do that by putting forth some effort. Believing that showing that I am committed to following Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for His offering His saving grace to me doesn't mean that He is somehow incapable of saving me on His own. It means that He knows what I personally am capable of (i.e. obedience, faithfulness, loyalty to Him) and expects me to be willing to not only talk the talk, but to walk the walk.
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People may not remember your name or what you looked like, but they will remember how you made them feel and how you treated them. People know love in any language. 
