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Notice Jesus nor Peter nor Paul ever evangelized anyone by saying "Save yourselves from hell!"? It was always: "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." (Acts 2:40).
Yes a generation of unbelief.
The salvation of God is being misrepresented when it is taught that it is about being saved from eternal hell. He is our salvation by blessing us and turning us back to him from our unbelief, which alienated us in our minds from him, not him from us.
Scripture teaches he's always been with us, that close we could feel after him, but our darkened mind due to it being alienated from him through unbelief could never see it.
seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, — though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us, for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.Being, therefore, offspring of God, we ought not to think the Godhead to be like to gold, or silver, or stone, graving of art and device of man(or a man with a beard) Acts 17:27-29
Notice Jesus nor Peter nor Paul ever evangelized anyone by saying "Save yourselves from hell!"? It was always: "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." (Acts 2:40).
But they both talked about it. I quoted a verse from Romans 5 earlier.
Like I said we are getting somewhere when we understand that the word hell does not mean a place of eternal torment.
It does not look like you are getting it, because you still think Sheol and hell are one and the same. Sheol is not eternal, but hell is. As a matter of fact eventually Sheol will be thrown into hell, so how could they be one and the same.
Jesus had to die because He was a man and all men die. If you mean why did He have to die the horrendous way He did at the time He did . . . it was because of the savage and barbaric nature and beliefs (sins = missing the mark) of our ignorant ancestors (Who knew not what they did!). Blaming it on God the Father continued that barbaric ignorance and corrupted Christ's original and only Good News message of God's love for us ALL. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
Jesus had to die because He was a man and all men die. If you mean why did He have to die the horrendous way He did at the time He did . . . it was because of the savage and barbaric nature and beliefs (sins = missing the mark) of our ignorant ancestors (Who knew not what they did!). Blaming it on God the Father continued that barbaric ignorance and corrupted Christ's original and only Good News message of God's love for us ALL. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
So, in your opinon His death had nothing to do with satisfying God's justice?
Jesus had to die because He was a man and all men die. If you mean why did He have to die the horrendous way He did at the time He did . . . it was because of the savage and barbaric nature and beliefs (sins = missing the mark) of our ignorant ancestors (Who knew not what they did!). Blaming it on God the Father continued that barbaric ignorance and corrupted Christ's original and only Good News message of God's love for us ALL. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
So, in your opinon His death had nothing to do with satisfying God's justice?
It had everything to do with satisfying God's PROMISE to us. In Prophesy God promised us a Messiah who would teach us righteousness. He told us how to identify Him; What His status is; How He would be treated by us; and How to validate Him through prophesy even beyond His death. Jesus REDEEMED that promise and exemplified God's true nature unambiguously even through scourging and death. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and provided His Holy Spirit (Comforter) to us in our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts" so we would not need anyone to teach us.
It does not look like you are getting it, because you still think Sheol and hell are one and the same. Sheol is not eternal, but hell is. As a matter of fact eventually Sheol will be thrown into hell, so how could they be one and the same.
No Mr Jarber the lake of fire is not eternal hell. And you only need to take a look back over the fiery debates over last few years how fundamentalists have thought tooth and nail that Sheol, Gehenna, hades and Tartarus all mean the same thing to them. Sheol,Gehenna,hades and Tartarus to most Christians means one thing eternal hell, that they falsely believe Jesus came to save them from(Jesus Christ saved no one from eternal hell).The Universalists on here at the very least have proven without doubt the misuse and the mistranslation of the word of hell.
It's not very often I quote a man but this seems to be so relevant I could not resist.
Here is the truth Jesus Christ through his death burial and resurrection and ascension to our Father, blessed us in turning us from our evil ways back to himself. He did not bless us by saving us from eternal hell, it is not in the bible you try to convince us you believe in.
to you first, God, having raised up His child Jesus, did send him, blessing you, in the turning away of each one from your evil ways Acts 3:26.
Jesus taught a reality of seeking first his kingdom( which he also taught is within us), that we abide in his love, and by doing so we would not only be hearers of the word but doers too. Not a work based salvation, a living by faith in his salvation in our daily lives. No free get out of eternal hell card, nor no free train ride into heaven by saying you believe in him, many professed they believed in him, yet yelled crucify him.
It had everything to do with satisfying God's PROMISE to us. In Prophesy God promised us a Messiah who would teach us righteousness. He told us how to identify Him; What His status is; How He would be treated by us; and How to validate Him through prophesy even beyond His death. Jesus REDEEMED that promise and exemplified God's true nature unambiguously even through scourging and death. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and provided His Holy Spirit (Comforter) to us in our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts" so we would not need anyone to teach us.
But, in your opinon His death had nothing to do with satisfying God's justice?
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If All Will be Saved, Why Did Jesus Have to Die?
. His rebirth as Spirit (resurrection) removed all fear of death and equipped us ALL with His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." If only we would sincerely seek the truth in our hearts with His guidance!!!
