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You really should read Romans 8-9 with an open mind.
Vizio, you have pretty much demonstrated to everybody on this forum that you don't even know what it means to have an open mind. Practice what you preach, man.
Well of course I do. I will quote from the apostle Paul and say, "I'm the chief of sinners". The entire doctrine of sin is probably the least understood and the most misunderstood concept in all of Christian doctrine.
The result of the "Fall" was TOTAL. We became "sinners" and were separated from God. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is a big fundamental difference in those two statements. In the most consecrated Christian's life, everything he thinks says and does is in some way tainted by the sin that dwells within "this body of corruption". We only have communion with God because we are washed clean by the "blood of the Lamb".
The result of the "Fall" was TOTAL. We became "sinners" and were separated from God. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is a big fundamental difference in those two statements. In the most consecrated Christian's life, everything he thinks says and does is in some way tainted by the sin that dwells within "this body of corruption". We only have communion with God because we are washed clean by the "blood of the Lamb".
Well of course I do. I will quote from the apostle Paul and say, "I'm the chief of sinners". The entire doctrine of sin is probably the least understood and the most misunderstood concept in all of Christian doctrine.
The result of the "Fall" was TOTAL. We became "sinners" and were separated from God. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is a big fundamental difference in those two statements. In the most consecrated Christian's life, everything he thinks says and does is in some way tainted by the sin that dwells within "this body of corruption". We only have communion with God because we are washed clean by the "blood of the Lamb".
Excellent post, lucknow! Right in line w/Scripture.
Too bad it isn't in line with Jesus the Christ our Living Word of God.
Sure it is.
Luke 19:10
10 "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
Matt. 26
26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
The result of the "Fall" was TOTAL. We became "sinners" and were separated from God. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is a big fundamental difference in those two statements. In the most consecrated Christian's life, everything he thinks says and does is in some way tainted by the sin that dwells within "this body of corruption". We only have communion with God because we are washed clean by the "blood of the Lamb".
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Excellent post, lucknow! Right in line w/Scripture.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Too bad it isn't in line with Jesus the Christ our Living Word of God.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Sure it is.
Luke 19:10
10 "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
Matt. 26
26 While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
We had just been created. We were completely naive and ignorant living souls. We had to learn our first of many lessons on the path to eternal life. Learning the difference between Good and Evil was essential. It was not something God did not expect. God intended that we learn that distinction . . . and many more chronicled in the Bible. God did not consider us evil . . . just very, very young and immature . . . as would be expected of newly created beings. The Bible chronicles our species' slow growth toward spiritual maturity. There was no "sin" (as used in dogma today) to "pass on" to us. Sin means "missing the mark" . . . being wrong. The story of humankind has been a slow progression toward knowledge and understanding of what is truly Evil and what is truly Good so we would not "miss the mark."
Our species was failing miserably as carnal savages so we needed Christ as our "designated hitter" to achieve the spiritual maturity and pure agape love that we were unable to achieve on our own. But He pointed out that thanks to the schoolmaster stage . . . a lot of our carnal savagery had been brought under our self control . . . and the "fields were ripe for the harvest." We were ready to learn the real reason for self-control of our baser urges . . . agape "love of God and each other" . . . NOT fear of God or punishment. Christ's death and rebirth as Spirit made His Holy Spirit (Comforter) available to us all within our consciousness. That is how He is the Way to God. By following His guidance to what God has "written in our hearts" under the New Covenant we are capable of attuning our Spirits to His love and acquiring the cover of His perfection (grace).
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Well of course I do. I will quote from the apostle Paul and say, "I'm the chief of sinners". The entire doctrine of sin is probably the least understood and the most misunderstood concept in all of Christian doctrine.
The result of the "Fall" was TOTAL. We became "sinners" and were separated from God. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is a big fundamental difference in those two statements. In the most consecrated Christian's life, everything he thinks says and does is in some way tainted by the sin that dwells within "this body of corruption". We only have communion with God because we are washed clean by the "blood of the Lamb".
You've sure made your life a totally uphill climb.
Good luck to you.
I'm just gonna pause a while in this field by the creek and listen to the birds.
We had just been created. We were completely naive and ignorant living souls. We had to learn our first of many lessons on the path to eternal life. Learning the difference between Good and Evil was essential. It was not something God did not expect. God intended that we learn that distinction . . . and many more chronicled in the Bible. God did not consider us evil . . . just very, very young and immature . . . as would be expected of newly created beings. The Bible chronicles our species' slow growth toward spiritual maturity. There was no "sin" (as used in dogma today) to "pass on" to us. Sin means "missing the mark" . . . being wrong. The story of humankind has been a slow progression toward knowledge and understanding of what is truly Evil and what is truly Good so we would not "miss the mark."
Our species was failing miserably as carnal savages so we needed Christ as our "designated hitter" to achieve the spiritual maturity and pure agape love that we were unable to achieve on our own. But He pointed out that thanks to the schoolmaster stage . . . a lot of our carnal savagery had been brought under our self control . . . and the "fields were ripe for the harvest." We were ready to learn the real reason for self-control of our baser urges . . . agape "love of God and each other" . . . NOT fear of God or punishment. Christ's death and rebirth as Spirit made His Holy Spirit (Comforter) available to us all within our consciousness. That is how He is the Way to God. By following His guidance to what God has "written in our hearts" under the New Covenant we are capable of attuning our Spirits to His love and acquiring the cover of His perfection (grace).
You're so close, yet so far from the truth. That's what happens when you devise your own theology.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God.
You've sure made your life a totally uphill climb.
Good luck to you.
I'm just gonna pause a while in this field by the creek and listen to the birds.
Why you old sinner, why would the birds sing to you?
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