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Grace of God is His blessing and gifts .......... Just look at the authority of the believer where Jesus CANNOT deliver people from the devil or demons or fallen angels , they have to take up the authority through Jesus Words of the bible and with faith rip the devil out for Jesus by His Holy Spirit............ See God gave the authority of deliverances to Jesus after the cross , and Jesus in turn gave the believer this authority , as all believers who are born again have this authority of the grace of God .......... See there are many people in Christianity who frown on the grace of God as they just may be praying for Jesus to do that , and Jesus told Christians to resist the devil and he will flee, , not pray Jesus resist the devil for me and keep me clean , ...........See this is a major difference between the Old covenant in the Old Testament and the New Covenant of the New Creation
Why would God need us to be a body for him?. For the same reason he walked in the Christ Jesus.
For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
As he is so are we in this world.
And on this note of total and utter confusion and twisting of Scripture I leave your to you New Age teachings.
ETA: God is not the author of confusion, and what you believe is confusion pure and simple.
And on this note of total and utter confusion and twisting of Scripture I leave your to you New Age teachings.
ETA: God is not the author of confusion, and what you believe is confusion pure and simple.
Jesus for instance said i am the vine you are the branches. Do you believe the branches are separated from the vine, as in two different things ?. What the vine is we are. Jesus said i and the Father one(the same), why is hard to believe that the vine and the branches are one and the same ?, what is confusing about this?, nothing at all, in fact it couldn't be any simpler. The confusion stems from trying to understand God from a place of separation.
Jesus for instance said i am the vine you are the branches. Do you believe the branches are separated from the vine, as in two different things ?. What the vine is we are. Jesus said i and the Father one(the same), why is hard to believe that the vine and the branches are one and the same ?, what is confusing about this?, nothing at all, in fact it couldn't be any simpler. The confusion stems from trying to understand God from a place of separation.
Common sense goes a looooooooooong way in intrepreting the Scriptures. There's no common sense to what you say; it's just double talk and confusion.
Sorry pcamps, but Christ is the VINE. What is the vine? It's the foundation upon which the 'branches' grow. Can the vine still be a vine without branches? YES....
What or who is Christ? He's God? Who's God? He's the Creator of all things.
Are you God the Creator? Are you Christ as God? These two=the Vine. So are you then The Vine? I think not.
Am I God the Creator? Am I Christ? Am I the same thing as the Vine? Nope and neither is anyone else who's a believer.
We are the branches? YES! Are branches and vines the same thing? Nope. The 'branches' are 'secondary growth.'
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the confusion stems from trying to understand God from a place of separation
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say, and believe me in 34 yrs. I thought I'd heard it all.
Talk about 'double talk!!'
And with that I say, "I'm done talking about this subject."
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Jesus for instance said i am the vine you are the branches. Do you believe the branches are separated from the vine, as in two different things ?. What the vine is we are. Jesus said i and the Father one(the same), why is hard to believe that the vine and the branches are one and the same ?, what is confusing about this?, nothing at all, in fact it couldn't be any simpler. The confusion stems from trying to understand God from a place of separation.
I think that is the most accurate thing you have said that I have read from you.
I think that is the most accurate thing you have said that I have read from you.
Its one of most accurate in my opinion. . The sad thing is most of christianity speaks from a place of separation, so is it any wonder we continue to fall short of the glory of God.
One spirit? When the man Christ Jesus said when you have seen me you have seen the Father,he was speaking from one spirit.
Like i said to you on another thread, the god of separation that you believe those to be found wanting and unworthy before God, only exists in the imagination of men.
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. The sad thing is most of christianity speaks from a place of separation, so is it any wonder we continue to fall short of the glory of God.
