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Old 07-15-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Well the laws of the land is slowly but surely making same-sex marriage legal across the US, let's hope Christians won't violate the laws of the land.
If they do not have sex with or marry a member of the same sex they won't be violating God's law.

What the law of the land will not require is for Christians to become homosexuals so a law permitting homosexual marriage would have no impact on them.
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:12 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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If they do not have sex with or marry a member of the same sex they won't be violating God's law.

What the law of the land will not require is for Christians to become homosexuals so a law permitting homosexual marriage would have no impact on them.
Thank you! You were the first Christian I've seen on this forum admit that homosexual marriage will have no impact on them.
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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So you are trying to imply that the indwelling Spirit of agape love that we are responding to is actually satanic in origin. Satan espouses "love of God and each other" daily and repenting when we don't???? Wow. That is an interesting view of Satan's goal. Imagine Satan promoting love of God.
The is just one huge flaw in this .... you on your own have more than sufficiently over the years have clarified what you mean by the latest cute little catch phrases of the day beyond the foil wrapping.

You continually refer to and quote some indwelling spirit that claims to be Christ .... and what we do is to compare what this indwelling spirit says in the light of the written Word of God.
And that indwelling spirit fails the test ... time and time again.



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That wasn't my question, Twin. What does your heart tell you about homosexuality? Is it agape loving?
  1. my heart is not the source of the truth ... God through his written word tells me
  2. my opinion (or as the antagonists say "my interpretation") counts for nothing .... God through his written word is the only opinion that matters and is absolute
  3. homosexuality is declared for what is by God in his written word ... and it is not agape love.
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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I'll answer your question with a question, would keeping slaves be doing the wrong thing in the name of Christ? The Bible says it is OK to keep slaves.


Slavery is something people who don't study the Bible like to throw out there as a red herring to avoid the topic.

If someone does the wrong thing, and then plasters the name "Christian" on it, it's still the wrong thing, therefore, not truly endorsed by Christ, thus not really Christian. I think you know this, and it's why you didn't answer my question and threw out the slavery remark. That's an entirely different topic.
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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So you are trying to imply that the indwelling Spirit of agape love that we are responding to is actually satanic in origin. Satan espouses "love of God and each other" daily and repenting when we don't???? Wow. That is an interesting view of Satan's goal. Imagine Satan promoting love of God.That wasn't my question, Twin. What does your heart tell you about homosexuality? Is it agape loving?
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The is just one huge flaw in this .... you on your own have more than sufficiently over the years have clarified what you mean by the latest cute little catch phrases of the day beyond the foil wrapping.
You continually refer to and quote some indwelling spirit that claims to be Christ .... and what we do is to compare what this indwelling spirit says in the light of the written Word of God.
And that indwelling spirit fails the test ... time and time again.
You have it backwards, Twin. We are supposed to test the Spirit of any passage against the Spirit of God and God IS agape love. That means we are to test the Spirit of any passage against agape love . . . not what is "written in ink." No wonder you have things so messed up.
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  1. my heart is not the source of the truth ... God through his written word tells me
  2. my opinion (or as the antagonists say "my interpretation") counts for nothing .... God through his written word is the only opinion that matters and is absolute
  3. homosexuality is declared for what is by God in his written word ... and it is not agape love.
You simply do NOT believe the New Covenant. God said He would "write in our minds and hearts" so we would not need anyone to teach us because we would ALL know God. He said "Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God." Why don't you believe God???

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Old 07-15-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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Just those claiming to be Christian and supported by their churches claiming to be christian.
Perhaps so. But not all who throw the name around are Christians. I can claim to be a rock but that claim does not make it so.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:00 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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Slavery is something people who don't study the Bible like to throw out there as a red herring to avoid the topic.

If someone does the wrong thing, and then plasters the name "Christian" on it, it's still the wrong thing, therefore, not truly endorsed by Christ, thus not really Christian. I think you know this, and it's why you didn't answer my question and threw out the slavery remark. That's an entirely different topic.
Thankfully, we don't live in a Theocracy, and I don't run around asking "what would Jesus do?" As for the slavery remark, the goat herders decided to keep that little gem in the Bible. As stories are passed down through the ages, the thoughts and meaning change as each story teller put his own spin on it, and claim it was the word of god. The Bible is an acient version of the modern children's game of telephone. You really have no idea what was truly endorsed by Christ, you can only go by what the goat herders wrote.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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A famous person burned at the stake by Christians was Joan of Arc, as she was considered a heretic and a witch. I don't know if Joan was left-handed, but left-handed people were thought to be witches. As recently as the 1920's children were forced to use their right hand when learning to write, in Christian schools.
Can you prove those who burned Joan of Arc were Christians?
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:09 PM
 
Location: New England
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So you're saying people did the wrong thing in the name of Christ?
And thought they were doing God a service.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:12 PM
 
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So you're saying people did the wrong thing in the name of Christ?
Daylux, there are people on this forum that lie everyday thinking they are doing so for Christ. Some are so deceived that they don't even know what a lie is. They think the truth is a lie.
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