How to prepare for hell if you are divorced and remarried (Deuteronomy, scriptures)

[ashleynj]

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

Not at all!!! That is the point. Divorce has more far reaching consequences to society as a whole than literally any other sin. It has assisted in crippling the economy of our nation. Few people completely recover from the pain.

Yet, hjc, you want divorce forgiven, but not homosexuality. As has been posted by myself and others, divorce and remarriage is living in continual sin. It is not a "one-time" sin. So don 't practice hypocrisy and condemn homosexuals for living in continual sin unless you wish to condemn the vast majority of divorced people.

Oh, but you know a wonderful Christian couple, both who were previously divorced? Try getting to know some gay Christians who love God. And yes, they are out there.

When you know someone who is "sinning" in a way you disapprove of, but they display characteristics of Jesus, it's much harder to point fingers at them. The next step is to realize they are not exceptions to the rule but representative of countless thousands of others. Hopefully it will humble you.

It has me.

Yes, I am surprised that more people did not post on this thread condemning divorce and especially second marriages considering that this is mentioned in the Bible many, many times.

I guess it is much harder for people to talk about this because either they are guilty of it, have a family member that is, or friends. Even if they do not know anyone at the moment that is guilty of this sin, they realize that it is very possible that someone they know will one day have to deal with divorce and maybe even remarrying. I guess it is hard to think about someone going to Hell for eternity when it is someone you know.

And with some of the excuses people seem to make about this, the amount of people guilty of this sin, and pastors/ministers who actually think it is okay, it seems like a lot of Christians are going to Hell. Oh well, that just means more room for me up there

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by ashleynj

Yes, I am surprised that more people did not post on this thread condemning divorce and especially second marriages considering that this is mentioned in the Bible many, many times.

I guess it is much harder for people to talk about this because either they are guilty of it, have a family member that is, or friends. Even if they do not know anyone at the moment that is guilty of this sin, they realize that it is very possible that someone they know will one day have to deal with divorce and maybe even remarrying. I guess it is hard to think about someone going to Hell for eternity when it is someone you know.

And with some of the excuses people seem to make about this, the amount of people guilty of this sin, and pastors/ministers who actually think it is okay, it seems like a lot of Christians are going to Hell. Oh well, that just means more room for me up there

To quote our friend JrHockney, I fear you are "suffering from severe traditionalist legalism or just faulty translation" of the Bible.

And what's so sad and scary about that is, you actually believe you are right and speak for our loving God, which the rest of us know you certainly do not.

It is NOT your job to condemn anybody

And I find it more than a little disturbing that you are so gleeful at the thought of your fellowman "going to hell for eternity"

It's not to late to choose a better path. God really does desire a relationship with you! Please endeavor to get to know him!

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by highlife2

It is said that a remarried person commits adultry and adulters will not enter heaven. It is also said in dueteronmy that it is an abomination to go back to your first wife once either have divorced and remarried. So all that leaves is being celibate. If one is not willing to be celibate then does God help them get prepared for hell?

First of all, Jesus qualified divorce. At Matthew 5 v 32 and Matthew 19 v 9 Jesus said the scriptural grounds for divorce is: ' Fornication '. Jesus used the word fornication instead of adultery because fornication is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery. The Greek word translated in English as fornication is : Porneia

Porneia covers all un-natural sex acts including having sex with an animal as scriptural grounds for divorce.
Porneia is also where we get our English word : Pornography.

Please post the verses that you have in mind about divorce.

Did God get Jesus ready for hell ? _________Wasn't Jesus celibate and yet Jesus went to hell the day Jesus died.
Remember: there is a BIG difference between the temporary biblical hell [ grave ], and the non-scriptural permanent hell of religious myth just taught as Scripture.

[Wardendresden]

Originally Posted by Jrhockney

Actually in that verse, God said he hates "Putting Away" (shalach) rather than "divorce" "keriythuwth" but even if this is a reference to divorce, its something God described himself doing, but only along with giving a "bill of divorcement" which is the which in the Torah Law is the proper procedure because it gives proof that the woman is available. Even if this was a metaphor used by God, why would he declare something of himself he considered a sin in all cases? Seriously, calling all divorce a sin is unbiblical and irrational because it is still necessary and the "loving" thing to do in many situations.

...The frequency of divorce is certainly alarming, but I blame this more on people's unwillingness to work out their issues, cultural changes (like equality of woman), and their overall value they have placed on marriage rather than just the availability of divorce...In fact, divorce was alot easier to do back in bible times before the government make an institution and you had court battles over it... People really need to start remembering their vows when times get tough.

I'm pretty much a Jesus guy, and He didn't pull any punches about His views of it. If you want to say He was arguing based on a culture that He recognized was incorrect, then I argue the same way with regard to homosexuality.

I differ from Ashelynj in that I see God as forgiving and then forgiving again and again. Even though a divorced person lives in sin, so do I. So do we all. If God isn't continuously forgiving us, then none of us are saved.

As an afterthought, read the minor prophet Hosea. God told Hosea to marry a woman who would commit adultery and leave him. He was to purchase her back. He was to keep the adulterous woman as His wife. God hates divorce and gave us an example of fidelity even in the face of adultery. It also reflects His continuous love and fidelity when WE are the adulterous party. It shows His kindness despite His pain and disappointment, and it shows us the attitude we are to have toward those who hurt us and sin against us. Be faithful. Be loyal, reach out and rescue and redeem the very ones we consider to be "lost.," and furtherest from us, most unlike us, most likely to disappoint us.

Anything less than that is not being a follower of the example God gave us.

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by ashleynj

Yes, I am surprised that more people did not post on this thread condemning divorce and especially second marriages considering that this is mentioned in the Bible many, many times.
I guess it is much harder for people to talk about this because either they are guilty of it, have a family member that is, or friends. Even if they do not know anyone at the moment that is guilty of this sin, they realize that it is very possible that someone they know will one day have to deal with divorce and maybe even remarrying. I guess it is hard to think about someone going to Hell for eternity when it is someone you know.
And with some of the excuses people seem to make about this, the amount of people guilty of this sin, and pastors/ministers who actually think it is okay, it seems like a lot of Christians are going to Hell. Oh well, that just means more room for me up there

First there are scriptural grounds for a scriptural divorce. According to Jesus ' fornication ' is valid grounds for divorce.
- Matthew 5 v 32 and Matthew 19 v 9

Would you consider Jesus as being "Christian " ? The day Jesus died Jesus went to hell. - Acts 2 vs 27,31,32

If biblical hell was a permanent eternal place then wouldn't Jesus still be in hell ?
The Bible's hell is temporary because God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell - Acts 3 v 15; 10 v 40; 13 vs 30,37
And according to Revelation 20 vs 13,14 everyone in the Bible's hell will be ' delivered up' [ resurrected out of hell ], then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for the Bible's temporary hell or grave.
Doesn't Jesus have the keys to unlock hell according to Revelation 1 v 18 ?_______
If hell could Not be locked and unlocked there would be No use to having keys to hell.

What awaits the unrepentant wicked is: destruction
Destroyed forever according to Psalm 92 v 7 and 2nd Peter 3 v 9
The wicked will perish [ annihilated ] forever.
Adultery and fornication are Not the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

I'm pretty much a Jesus guy, and He didn't pull any punches about His views of it. If you want to say He was arguing based on a culture that He recognized was incorrect, then I argue the same way with regard to homosexuality.
I differ from Ashelynj in that I see God as forgiving and then forgiving again and again. Even though a divorced person lives in sin, so do I. So do we all. If God isn't continuously forgiving us, then none of us are saved.

No, a scripturally divorced and re-married person does Not ' live in sin ' - see Matthew 5 v 32 and Matthew 19 v 9

Those committing the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 are the ones Not forgiven.
In order to be forgiven one must repent - 2nd Peter 3 v 9
It is the willful practice [ of any ] sin that God condemns - Hebrews 10 v 26
Sin is either: on purpose, premeditated, willful, by mistake, accidental or not.

[Wardendresden]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

No, a scripturally divorced and re-married person does Not ' live in sin ' - see Matthew 5 v 32 and Matthew 19 v 9

Those committing the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6 are the ones Not forgiven.
In order to be forgiven one must repent - 2nd Peter 3 v 9
It is the willful practice [ of any ] sin that God condemns - Hebrews 10 v 26
Sin is either: on purpose, premeditated, willful, by mistake, accidental or not.

Yet you still live in sin. The unforgivable sin is the subject of much debate and even more speculation. Look up "What is sin against the Holy Spirit" and get back to us after you've digested everything. Please spare me your definition. I don't have an answer for it and you have none that is definitive or more clear than anyone else's.

There is no "scriptural" divorce. Jesus said God allowed it because of the hardness of the people's hearts, hardly a scriptural endorsement. "Dear God, I have a hard heart, please let me divorce!!!??" Please read all Jesus words on the subject. Two sources mention no "out." The one that does is arguably a later copy that utilized the two earlier copies and ADDED the "out." That's a primary tenet of textual criticism. Learn something about it. It may not make scripture easier to understand, but it will lessen the chances of gravely misunderstanding it.

For reading on how at least one early Christian viewed it read I Cor 7:10-11. Paul gives no "out" in those passages.

[highlife2]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

First of all, Jesus qualified divorce. At Matthew 5 v 32 and Matthew 19 v 9 Jesus said the scriptural grounds for divorce is: ' Fornication '. Jesus used the word fornication instead of adultery because fornication is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery. The Greek word translated in English as fornication is : Porneia

Porneia covers all un-natural sex acts including having sex with an animal as scriptural grounds for divorce.
Porneia is also where we get our English word : Pornography.

Please post the verses that you have in mind about divorce.

Did God get Jesus ready for hell ? _________Wasn't Jesus celibate and yet Jesus went to hell the day Jesus died.
Remember: there is a BIG difference between the temporary biblical hell [ grave ], and the non-scriptural permanent hell of religious myth just taught as Scripture.

That is true Jesus went to hell to minister. But the description from what I remember is very different from the description of the rich man across the chasm. The rich man was very much in some kind of hell.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

Yet you still live in sin. The unforgivable sin is the subject of much debate and even more speculation. Look up "What is sin against the Holy Spirit" and get back to us after you've digested everything. Please spare me your definition. I don't have an answer for it and you have none that is definitive or more clear than anyone else's.

There is no "scriptural" divorce. Jesus said God allowed it because of the hardness of the people's hearts, hardly a scriptural endorsement. "Dear God, I have a hard heart, please let me divorce!!!??" Please read all Jesus words on the subject. Two sources mention no "out." The one that does is arguably a later copy that utilized the two earlier copies and ADDED the "out." That's a primary tenet of textual criticism. Learn something about it. It may not make scripture easier to understand, but it will lessen the chances of gravely misunderstanding it.

For reading on how at least one early Christian viewed it read I Cor 7:10-11. Paul gives no "out" in those passages.

1 Cor. 7:

12 And to the rest I speak--not the Lord--if any brother hath a wife unbelieving, and she is pleased to dwell with him, let him not send her away;

13 and a woman who hath a husband unbelieving, and he is pleased to dwell with her, let her not send him away;

14 for the unbelieving husband hath been sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife hath been sanctified in the husband; otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

15 And, if the unbelieving doth separate himself--let him separate himself: the brother or the sister is not under servitude in such cases , and in peace hath God called us;

[Taiko]

What is the definition of marriage. If your father sold you to an enemies son or a cousin who preceded to rape you does God hate the divorce of an escaped prisoner?