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Not because it would be the wrong thing to do, but because Jesus hasn't commanded it yet.
We've been over this ad nauseum. There is no secular morality that objectively tells you that it's wrong. You have no way of defining murder as wrong. God has declared murder to be wrong, though.
thats because of racism. i'm talking about jesus, man. when was the last time they killed people for drawing jesus in an obscenely funny sexual pose.
christianity has thousands upon thousands of sects, surely there is one murderous fringe group out there who would defend jesus' honor to the death! its not fair if there is none!
No but soldiers fight wars for countries they serve. Even if that country is a crook. Strange really how the world system works.
We've been over this ad nauseum. There is no secular morality that objectively tells you that it's wrong. You have no way of defining murder as wrong. God has declared murder to be wrong, though.
What about atheists who believe murder is wrong ?. Are you saying God can speak to the conscience of an atheists and the atheist hears and knows murder is wrong ?.
Where did the ones who kill for their God supposedly learn to blow up others out of hate---Ireland-- false religions taught them. fakes who give lip service, but by actions have proved the opposite. these-2Thess 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15-- 1Cor 1:10= fakes-p-- The one single religion Jesus started is unified in love and peace worldwide-7 days a week.
You mean just recently huh?
Christianity has an extremely poor record of love and peace, historically is has been nothing but persecution, and the ones who they persecuted were persecuted for nothing more than keeping the commandments of God.
Martin Luther was so loving that Hitler used his words to commit genocide against the people of God.
Should we "defend" His Honor against you're statements?
That's not entirely true, law breakers are warned that they should fear he who carries the sword of justice because the sword comes against evildoers and is not carried in vain. Many people give the example of Jesus saying,'' Whoever is without guilt cast the first stone.''
Jesus only said that because all those people were in fact, breaking the law. He called out the fact that they were judging one person for the sin of two persons. If a woman is caught in adultery, she cannot possibly be charged unless both parties are charged, much less a penalty carried out on only one guilty party. Both HAD to be present, and so all those people were standing there breaking the law and pointing a finger at somebody else.
Christianity has an extremely poor record of love and peace, historically is has been nothing but persecution, and the ones who they persecuted were persecuted for nothing more than keeping the commandments of God.
Martin Luther was so loving that Hitler used his words to commit genocide against the people of God.
As a power, as an organization, yes. But as individual Christians, the love and peace has survived.
You guys who LOOOOVE to run around in tight little circles muttering "ButHitlerWasAChristianButHitlerWasAChristian" never talk about the Christians who hid Jews and went to the firing squads during WWII rather than reveal their whereabouts. Why is that? Why do you need so very badly to point out examples of terrible people who claimed to be committing their evil in the name of Christ--and Lord knows there is no end of such people in history--but you never celebrate the ordinary people who DID live their lives as Christ told them to, even onto death?
Never mind, I know the answer, but I thought you should be called on it.
As a power, as an organization, yes. But as individual Christians, the love and peace has survived.
You guys who LOOOOVE to run around in tight little circles muttering "ButHitlerWasAChristianButHitlerWasAChristian" never talk about the Christians who hid Jews and went to the firing squads during WWII rather than reveal their whereabouts. Why is that? Why do you need so very badly to point out examples of terrible people who claimed to be committing their evil in the name of Christ--and Lord knows there is no end of such people in history--but you never celebrate the ordinary people who DID live their lives as Christ told them to, even onto death?
Never mind, I know the answer, but I thought you should be called on it.
We are speaking of 2000 years of Anti-Semitism.
I know there were righteous individuals but they were few and far between from what I have read. Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years, and gentiles swamped Synagogues The Orthodox Jews wanted the gentiles out, and Rome was obviously desperate to separate the Gentile convert away from the Jews after the Jewish war. The burning of the great Synagogue was the vehicle used to break the brotherhood of gentile convert with Judah and Jerusalem.
Hadrian made a deal with the Greek Orthodox to accept the Saturnalia and Hadrian would give the Greeks the Jewish synagogues when they exiled the Jews. Jerusalem was done away with in the minds of the church and a new city was appointed the Holy city, and anyone who would follow Jesus in his Sabbaths and feasts were persecuted by the church themselves.
The Christian who would follow and accept the Passover was despised and hated, and if a gentile wanted to keep the Sukkot of Jesus like a Jew, he was hated more than the Jew.
Anyone who dared to keep the commandments of God and follow Jesus in his sacrifices were treated as sub humans, and we have Martin Luther's words to show the great hate to anyone who kept God's commandments and the feasts of Jesus.
You think that hatred is in the past?
A Christian who makes up his mind to follow Jesus in his Passover, in his Shavuot and in his Sukkot is despised and looked at as some Judaizer, just as people will come in here and tell me to go somewhere else because I keep speaking of the 7 feast days of Jesus and I am treated like a Judaizer, some legalistic freak because I will only follow Jesus in his days.
Has the church changed so much?
A person who decides to follow Jesus will lose his church, his wife, his job and everyone in his family will despise him, and the friends he had will shun him, the churches in his town will speak ill of him.
Just for following the commandments of God and the feasts of Jesus.
A person who decides to follow Jesus will lose his church, his wife, his job and everyone in his family will despise him, and the friends he had will shun him, the churches in his town will speak ill of him.
Just for following the commandments of God and the feasts of Jesus.
Is that a reference to your own experience? You follow Messianic Judaism, correct? Does that happen to every Messianic Jew? (Seems to me you've stated you aren't a Christian.) It certainly doesn't happen to the average Christian. Unless that person left a tremendously conservative sect that believes in shunning.
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Christianity has an extremely poor record of love and peace, historically is has been nothing but persecution, and the ones who they persecuted were persecuted for nothing more than keeping the commandments of God.
Martin Luther was so loving that Hitler used his words to commit genocide against the people of God.
This arose at Catholicism councils--2Thess 2:3-- never fixed until truth came back in these last days-Daniel 12:4)
33,000 religions claiming to serve Jesus 1Cor 1:10)--- Jesus started a single religion--- not an easy choice unless one learns all of Jesus truths and applys them. Its the only way to see the correct path.
I start threads with 6 ultra important teachings from Jesus in many different sights, and are rejected by every Trinitarian( teachers included) that read them--yet every one of them is in their own translations.---- pretty strange.
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Is that a reference to your own experience? You follow Messianic Judaism, correct? Does that happen to every Messianic Jew? (Seems to me you've stated you aren't a Christian.) It certainly doesn't happen to the average Christian. Unless that person left a tremendously conservative sect that believes in shunning.
