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So the apostle Paul was wrong? Rom 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Actually....we are to now go a step further. Instead of keeping the law for righteousness...we are to keep it out of love. Instead of not just killing, we are to look after the good of others and love them. Instead of just not stealing, we are to protect the belongings of our neighbor....etc...etc.
For believers, who posses Christ, Christ is our fulfillment of the law. That's what He came to do (Matthew 5:17). In other words, His account of sinlessness is credited to those who have Christ in them.
Romans 8:2-4 - For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
But there is not enough support to defend that - so I will take that off the board.
Jesus. The Sermon on the mount. Jesus went down the 10 Commandments, saying "You have heard it said....", then giving a further command. Instead of not just committing adultery....we are to not even look lustfully.
Paul expounds on it in Romans 13:9 " For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”"
God isn't asking us for perfect obedience. He wants our hearts devoted to him. If we seek after God's heart, we will live obediently as a side effect.
The current theology in Christianity is that law is abolished and done away with. This theology is wrong.
Mainstream Christianity doesn't believe its own theology because they are in fact keeping the same laws they say are abolished in the Torah and go agaisnt their own theology.
We say we are to keep 2 commands: Love your neighbor and God and that way you wont commit adultery, idolatry, lie, steal, kill, dishonor your parents etc, as these are all commandments in the Torah that are repeated in the NT. The NT is a continuation of the OT as the the bible is 1 book. Lev 18 lays out the laws of sexual morality that we follow.
Leviticus 19:18
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6:5
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
The 10 Commandments List, Short Form- Ex 20
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
So mainstream Christianity doesn't believe its own theology that the law was abolished done away with, when they in fact keeps these same laws and teach others to do so.
Its not correct when certain groups say Christians are lawless, since they do believe and keep much of the torah to some degree. Just because Christians don't jeep the Sabbath, Feast Days, and Dietary Laws doesn't mean they are lawless, as judging your neighbor is also a command of God and would make that person lawless as well. We all sin and the blood of Christ covers us for our sins when we repent.
Some laws apply now and some don't simply because many involve the physical temple in Israel and/or we don't live in Israel or are the nation of Israel, but all the others commands still do apply, so to say that Christians are not obligated to follow the laws of God goes agaisnt its own Theology of the laws of God are abolished and nailed to the cross.
Agreed. They have no idea what the law of God is or how to love their neighbor, thinking like man instead of like God.
"The law will be sent from Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."
The current theology in Christianity is that law is abolished and done away with. This theology is wrong.
Mainstream Christianity doesn't believe its own theology because they are in fact keeping the same laws they say are abolished in the Torah and go agaisnt their own theology.
We say we are to keep 2 commands: Love your neighbor and God and that way you wont commit adultery, idolatry, lie, steal, kill, dishonor your parents etc, as these are all commandments in the Torah that are repeated in the NT. The NT is a continuation of the OT as the the bible is 1 book. Lev 18 lays out the laws of sexual morality that we follow.
Leviticus 19:18
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6:5
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
The 10 Commandments List, Short Form- Ex 20
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
So mainstream Christianity doesn't believe its own theology that the law was abolished done away with, when they in fact keeps these same laws and teach others to do so.
Its not correct when certain groups say Christians are lawless, since they do believe and keep much of the torah to some degree. Just because Christians don't jeep the Sabbath, Feast Days, and Dietary Laws doesn't mean they are lawless, as judging your neighbor is also a command of God and would make that person lawless as well. We all sin and the blood of Christ covers us for our sins when we repent.
Some laws apply now and some don't simply because many involve the physical temple in Israel and/or we don't live in Israel or are the nation of Israel, but all the others commands still do apply, so to say that Christians are not obligated to follow the laws of God goes agaisnt its own Theology of the laws of God are abolished and nailed to the cross.
Most of mainstream Christianity does not believe Jesus when he speaks about the law, that's all I can see.
Matthew 5 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
If Jesus or any of his followers come up to abolish the commandments of God and to teach people not to keep the commandments of God, then they are just sinners who have obviously broken the law and who deserve death by the law.
Liars were paid to lie against Stephen telling lies that Stephen was speaking against Jerusalem and the keeping of the laws of Moses, and if he was guilty, he deserved to die, but that is why liars were paid.
Acts 21 shows tens of thousand of Jewish believers that all became even more zealous to keep the law, and then they came to Paul and told Paul the appalling rumors that were being said of him. They actually accused Paul of teaching people not to keep the commandments of Moses, and they lied about Paul saying that Paul didn't keep the law himself.
So decades after Jesus died, we see Paul making blood sacrifices under the authorities of the priests of Judaism that in fact prove that Paul knew they were his authority, and he proved that he himself was keeping the law, and that he wasn't teaching people not to keep the law.
If Paul was a man who went about teaching Jews not to keep the law, then he was a man who would have been guilty of turning people away from God and what God has demanded of his people.
Mainstream Christianity has a different view, but if even one Jew comes abolishing the law and changing the times and seasons{feast days and Sabbaths} then he is guilty as a false prophet, and he deserves to die because he willingly breaks the laws of God and then tries to get others to turn away from God.
Most of mainstream Christianity does not believe Jesus when he speaks about the law, that's all I can see.
Matthew 5 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
If Jesus or any of his followers come up to abolish the commandments of God and to teach people not to keep the commandments of God, then they are just sinners who have obviously broken the law and who deserve death by the law.
Liars were paid to lie against Stephen telling lies that Stephen was speaking against Jerusalem and the keeping of the laws of Moses, and if he was guilty, he deserved to die, but that is why liars were paid.
Acts 21 shows tens of thousand of Jewish believers that all became even more zealous to keep the law, and then they came to Paul and told Paul the appalling rumors that were being said of him. They actually accused Paul of teaching people not to keep the commandments of Moses, and they lied about Paul saying that Paul didn't keep the law himself.
So decades after Jesus died, we see Paul making blood sacrifices under the authorities of the priests of Judaism that in fact prove that Paul knew they were his authority, and he proved that he himself was keeping the law, and that he wasn't teaching people not to keep the law.
If Paul was a man who went about teaching Jews not to keep the law, then he was a man who would have been guilty of turning people away from God and what God has demanded of his people.
Mainstream Christianity has a different view, but if even one Jew comes abolishing the law and changing the times and seasons{feast days and Sabbaths} then he is guilty as a false prophet, and he deserves to die because he willingly breaks the laws of God and then tries to get others to turn away from God.
Paul said that he would be all things to all people in order to win them to Christ. Yes--he still kept to his Jewish roots, but there is no indication from Acts 21 that he did those sacrifices for salvation. There is, however, an indication that he did it as a fulfillment of a vow that he took earlier in the book of Acts.
It's impossible to have 43,000 denominations in Christianity and then say that there is any real consensus on doctrine.
The New Testament says that the law is fulfilled by not destroyed. We are told that not one jot nor tittle will be done away with.
Fulfilled ... What does that mean? Since the Bible never clearly explains it, Christians are left to guess and theorize. I think we can safely say this much:
1.) Animal sacrifice was almost certainly ended.
2.) Many other rituals prescribed by the law of Moses were ended as well.
3.) Circumcision became optional for Gentile converts.
4.) The code of personal moral conduct became more demanding and not less demanding. See also Matthew chapters 5 - 7.
Other than that, it's all just best guesses and theory-crafting.
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