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Old 02-25-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Like all the others who would juge who is and who is not a Christian . . . you overstep and intrude on God's prerogative. Only God can judge who is and who is not a Christian, lucknow! . . . not you or any others like you who think they can.
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I disagree entirely. I can not judge or know if any person will become a Christian or not but I sure can determine if a person is presently a Christian by what they believe to be the truth.
If you claim to be a mathematician and go on to tell me that 2 plus two is 6, I can judge that you are not what you claim to be. If you do not believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sin then YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN. There are a few other cardinal doctrines that are also essential to believe and trust in, in order to be a Christian. The person that invents their own Theology out of their own minds is deceiving themselves if they think that will avail them of anything.
You seem to be describing a Bibleian . . . NOT a Christian. It seems to me that at a minimum a Christian has to be someone who follows Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. Everything else about what to believe ABOUT Christ is moot. It is largely human vanity and hubris. I doubt that God cares one whit for any of it as long as we follow Christ's instructions.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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You seem to be describing a Bibleian . . . NOT a Christian. It seems to me that at a minimum a Christian has to be someone who follows Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. Everything else about what to believe ABOUT Christ is moot. It is largely human vanity and hubris. I doubt that God cares one whit for any of it as long as we follow Christ's instructions.
If we follow the love of Christ, everything else will take care of itself.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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You seem to be describing a Bibleian . . . NOT a Christian. It seems to me that at a minimum a Christian has to be someone who follows Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. Everything else about what to believe ABOUT Christ is moot. It is largely human vanity and hubris. I doubt that God cares one whit for any of it as long as we follow Christ's instructions.
Well, Christ's instructions add up to lot more than you are saying. Secondly, how could a person love God if they do not know anything about Him. Most of what we know about God we learn from "His WORD".
Do you have any realization how often and how much Jesus quotes from the bible while He is teaching?

Which Old Testament Book Did Jesus Quote Most?


Old-testament-books-Jesus-quotes-mostPeople didn’t follow Jesus only because of his miracles—they also followed him because he knew how to handle the Old Testament:

He could match wits with the temple teachers at age 12 (Lk 2:42, 46–47).
He resisted the devil’s temptations using passages from Deuteronomy (Mt 4:1–11).
He stumped the Pharisees when it came to who the son of David is (Mt 22:41–46).
Jesus is the greatest Old Testament scholar of all time, and it makes me wonder: which books of the Old Testament does Jesus quote most often in the Gospels?

Let’s count them down game-show style:

The 4 Old Testament books Jesus quotes most

#4 Exodus

Exodus is famous for the stories of Moses, the burning bush, the 10 plagues, and the parting of the Red Sea. It’s the story of God calling Israel from Egypt and making them his own people in the wilderness.

Jesus quotes Exodus seven times, usually referencing the laws God gives Israel in the wilderness—especially the Ten Commandments:

Jesus references the burning bush incident when explaining the resurrection (Ex 3:6; Mt 22:32; Mk 12:26; Lk 20:37).
He recalls the Ten Commandments when telling a rich man how to enter the kingdom of God (Ex 20:12–16; Mt 19:18–19; Mk 10:19; Lk 18:20).
He mentions the fifth commandment (honoring parents) when exposing the Pharisees’ and scribes’ hypocrisy (Ex 20:12, 21:17; Mt 15:4; Mk 7:10).
And of course, the commandments against murder and adultery show up in Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount (Ex 20:12–13; Mt 5:21, 27).
Jesus quotes the famous “eye for an eye” line right before telling his disciples to turn the other cheek (Ex 21:24; Mt 5:38).
#3 Isaiah

Jesus quotes the book of Isaiah eight times during his ministry. Isaiah was a prophet who wrote about the coming judgment of both Israel’s kingdoms—and the comfort that God would bring to his people afterward.

Jesus quotes Isaiah to describe the disconnect between the people and their God. For example:

Jesus speaks in parables, fulfilling Isaiah’s prophecy concerning “eyes that do not see” and “ears that do not hear” (Is 6:9–10; Mt 13:14–15; Mk 4:12; Lk 8:10).
When Jesus turns over the tables in the temple, he references Isaiah’s words on how the house of God was intended to operate (Is 56:7; Mt 21:13; Mk 11:17; Lk 19:46).
He calls out the Pharisees and scribes for their lip service to God—they honor God with their words, but their hearts are far, far from him (Is 29:13; Mt 15:8–9; Mk 7:6–7).
He alludes to Isaiah in his parable of the vineyard (Is 5:1; Mt 21:33; Mk 12:1; Lk 20:9).
These messages aren’t always well-received, but that shouldn’t be a surprise—they weren’t very popular back when Isaiah wrote them, either.

But Jesus doesn’t always dwell on the negatives. He also quotes Isaiah when describing how his ministry reconciles the people back to God:

He quotes Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus would die a sinner’s death (Is 53:12; Lk 22:37).
His salvation ministry allows the people to be taught of God (Is 54:13; Jn 6:45).
He heals the blind and brings good news to the afflicted (Is 61:1–2; Mt 11:5; Lk 4:18–19, 7:22).
Jesus quotes Isaiah to highlight the disconnect between God and the people, but he also quotes Isaiah to remind people of the comfort God will bring through him.

#2 Deuteronomy

Another book of Moses—the last of the five. Deuteronomy wraps up the story of Israel’s wanderings in the wilderness. Moses calls the people together and lays out God’s expectations for them in the future, once they take the land of Canaan.

Jesus quotes Deuteronomy on 10 occasions in the gospels, and it’s the only OT book Jesus quotes when he speaks to the devil.

Jesus sums up the law and the prophets with a line from Deuteronomy (and another from Leviticus): love God, and love your neighbor as yourself (Dt 6:5; Mt 22:37; Mk 12:29–33; Lk 10:27).
The Ten Commandments are in both Exodus and Deuteronomy: Jesus references both books when he cites the commandments.
Jesus references Deuteronomy when he discusses divorce (Dt 24:1–3; Mt 5:31, 19:7; Mk 10:4).
He mentions Moses’ rule of witnesses when he outlines church discipline (Dt 19:15; Mt 18:16).
When Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness, Jesus responds with passages from Deuteronomy (Dt 6:13, 16, 8:3; Mt 4:4, 7, 10; Lk 4:4, 8, 12).
#1 Psalms

Psalms is the most-read book of the Bible, and it’s the one Jesus quotes most often.

The book of Psalms is a collection of 150 songs and poems written to God. David penned half of them, and the rest were written by temple worship leaders (like the sons of Asaph), wise men (like Solomon), and some unknown poets (like . . . well, I don’t know).

Jesus quotes the Psalms on 11 occasions:

Jesus outwits the Pharisees with the Psalms on several occasions (Ps 8:2, 110:1; Mt 21:16, 22:44; Mk 12:36, 14:62; Lk 20:42–43).
He quotes the twenty-second Psalm while dying on the cross: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Ps 22:1; Mt 27:46; Mk 15:34). He then fulfills the thirty-first Psalm by committing his spirit to the Father (31:5; Lk 23:46).
Jesus is hated without cause, which he says the Psalms foretold (Ps 35:19, 69:4; Jn 15:25).
He quotes the Psalms when talking about his betrayal (Ps 41:9; Jn 13:18).
Jesus recalls the manna in the wilderness after feeding a multitude (Ps 78:24; Jn 6:31).
When the Jews want to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, he responds with a line Psalms (Ps 82:6; Jn 10:34).
Jesus quotes Psalm 110 when Pilate asks if he is the son of God (Ps 110:1; Mt 26:64).
He quotes Psalms to the chief priests and elders, calling himself the chief cornerstone (Ps 118:22–23; Matt 21:42; Mk 12:10; Luke 20:17).
Jesus references Psalms when foretelling Jerusalem’s destruction (Ps 118:26; Matt 23:39; Lk 13:35
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:43 PM
 
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Like all the others who would juge who is and who is not a Christian . . . you overstep and intrude on God's prerogative. Only God can judge who is and who is not a Christian, lucknow! . . . not you or any others like you who think they can.
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You seem to be describing a Bibleian . . . NOT a Christian. It seems to me that at a minimum a Christian has to be someone who follows Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. Everything else about what to believe ABOUT Christ is moot. It is largely human vanity and hubris. I doubt that God cares one whit for any of it as long as we follow Christ's instructions.
Hypocrisy!!!
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Christ's instructions add up to lot more than you are saying. Secondly, how could a person love God if they do not know anything about Him. Most of what we know about God we learn from "His WORD".
I knew and loved the creator a long time before reading a Bible, and would disagree with this assumption.
Nature has a way of teaching you things; it's not about concrete, plastic and bellows of smoke!

Unless, you forget to put out the campfire?

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Old 02-25-2015, 10:14 PM
 
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Well, Christ's instructions add up to lot more than you are saying. Secondly, how could a person love God if they do not know anything about Him. Most of what we know about God we learn from "His WORD".
Do you have any realization how often and how much Jesus quotes from the bible while He is teaching?

Which Old Testament Book Did Jesus Quote Most?


Old-testament-books-Jesus-quotes-mostPeople didn’t follow Jesus only because of his miracles—they also followed him because he knew how to handle the Old Testament:

He could match wits with the temple teachers at age 12 (Lk 2:42, 46–47).
He resisted the devil’s temptations using passages from Deuteronomy (Mt 4:1–11).
He stumped the Pharisees when it came to who the son of David is (Mt 22:41–46).
Jesus is the greatest Old Testament scholar of all time, and it makes me wonder: which books of the Old Testament does Jesus quote most often in the Gospels?

Let’s count them down game-show style:

The 4 Old Testament books Jesus quotes most

#4 Exodus

Exodus is famous for the stories of Moses, the burning bush, the 10 plagues, and the parting of the Red Sea. It’s the story of God calling Israel from Egypt and making them his own people in the wilderness.

Jesus quotes Exodus seven times, usually referencing the laws God gives Israel in the wilderness—especially the Ten Commandments:

Jesus references the burning bush incident when explaining the resurrection (Ex 3:6; Mt 22:32; Mk 12:26; Lk 20:37).
He recalls the Ten Commandments when telling a rich man how to enter the kingdom of God (Ex 20:12–16; Mt 19:18–19; Mk 10:19; Lk 18:20).
He mentions the fifth commandment (honoring parents) when exposing the Pharisees’ and scribes’ hypocrisy (Ex 20:12, 21:17; Mt 15:4; Mk 7:10).
And of course, the commandments against murder and adultery show up in Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount (Ex 20:12–13; Mt 5:21, 27).
Jesus quotes the famous “eye for an eye” line right before telling his disciples to turn the other cheek (Ex 21:24; Mt 5:38).
#3 Isaiah

Jesus quotes the book of Isaiah eight times during his ministry. Isaiah was a prophet who wrote about the coming judgment of both Israel’s kingdoms—and the comfort that God would bring to his people afterward.

Jesus quotes Isaiah to describe the disconnect between the people and their God. For example:

Jesus speaks in parables, fulfilling Isaiah’s prophecy concerning “eyes that do not see” and “ears that do not hear” (Is 6:9–10; Mt 13:14–15; Mk 4:12; Lk 8:10).
When Jesus turns over the tables in the temple, he references Isaiah’s words on how the house of God was intended to operate (Is 56:7; Mt 21:13; Mk 11:17; Lk 19:46).
He calls out the Pharisees and scribes for their lip service to God—they honor God with their words, but their hearts are far, far from him (Is 29:13; Mt 15:8–9; Mk 7:6–7).
He alludes to Isaiah in his parable of the vineyard (Is 5:1; Mt 21:33; Mk 12:1; Lk 20:9).
These messages aren’t always well-received, but that shouldn’t be a surprise—they weren’t very popular back when Isaiah wrote them, either.

But Jesus doesn’t always dwell on the negatives. He also quotes Isaiah when describing how his ministry reconciles the people back to God:

He quotes Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus would die a sinner’s death (Is 53:12; Lk 22:37).
His salvation ministry allows the people to be taught of God (Is 54:13; Jn 6:45).
He heals the blind and brings good news to the afflicted (Is 61:1–2; Mt 11:5; Lk 4:18–19, 7:22).
Jesus quotes Isaiah to highlight the disconnect between God and the people, but he also quotes Isaiah to remind people of the comfort God will bring through him.

#2 Deuteronomy

Another book of Moses—the last of the five. Deuteronomy wraps up the story of Israel’s wanderings in the wilderness. Moses calls the people together and lays out God’s expectations for them in the future, once they take the land of Canaan.

Jesus quotes Deuteronomy on 10 occasions in the gospels, and it’s the only OT book Jesus quotes when he speaks to the devil.

Jesus sums up the law and the prophets with a line from Deuteronomy (and another from Leviticus): love God, and love your neighbor as yourself (Dt 6:5; Mt 22:37; Mk 12:29–33; Lk 10:27).
The Ten Commandments are in both Exodus and Deuteronomy: Jesus references both books when he cites the commandments.
Jesus references Deuteronomy when he discusses divorce (Dt 24:1–3; Mt 5:31, 19:7; Mk 10:4).
He mentions Moses’ rule of witnesses when he outlines church discipline (Dt 19:15; Mt 18:16).
When Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness, Jesus responds with passages from Deuteronomy (Dt 6:13, 16, 8:3; Mt 4:4, 7, 10; Lk 4:4, 8, 12).
#1 Psalms

Psalms is the most-read book of the Bible, and it’s the one Jesus quotes most often.

The book of Psalms is a collection of 150 songs and poems written to God. David penned half of them, and the rest were written by temple worship leaders (like the sons of Asaph), wise men (like Solomon), and some unknown poets (like . . . well, I don’t know).

Jesus quotes the Psalms on 11 occasions:

Jesus outwits the Pharisees with the Psalms on several occasions (Ps 8:2, 110:1; Mt 21:16, 22:44; Mk 12:36, 14:62; Lk 20:42–43).
He quotes the twenty-second Psalm while dying on the cross: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Ps 22:1; Mt 27:46; Mk 15:34). He then fulfills the thirty-first Psalm by committing his spirit to the Father (31:5; Lk 23:46).
Jesus is hated without cause, which he says the Psalms foretold (Ps 35:19, 69:4; Jn 15:25).
He quotes the Psalms when talking about his betrayal (Ps 41:9; Jn 13:18).
Jesus recalls the manna in the wilderness after feeding a multitude (Ps 78:24; Jn 6:31).
When the Jews want to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, he responds with a line Psalms (Ps 82:6; Jn 10:34).
Jesus quotes Psalm 110 when Pilate asks if he is the son of God (Ps 110:1; Mt 26:64).
He quotes Psalms to the chief priests and elders, calling himself the chief cornerstone (Ps 118:22–23; Matt 21:42; Mk 12:10; Luke 20:17).
Jesus references Psalms when foretelling Jerusalem’s destruction (Ps 118:26; Matt 23:39; Lk 13:35
Yes and Jesus said to follow Him and remain in His word, the truth.

"Go and make disciples of all the nation's baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you".
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:41 PM
 
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Hypocrisy!!!
You seem not to understand the word "seem," Mike. It makes all the difference.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:56 PM
 
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Like all the others who would juge who is and who is not a Christian . . . you overstep and intrude on God's prerogative. Only God can judge who is and who is not a Christian, lucknow! . . . not you or any others like you who think they can.
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You seem to be describing a Bibleian . . . NOT a Christian. It seems to me that at a minimum a Christian has to be someone who follows Christ's instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. Everything else about what to believe ABOUT Christ is moot. It is largely human vanity and hubris. I doubt that God cares one whit for any of it as long as we follow Christ's instructions.
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Hypocrisy!!!
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You seem not to understand the word "seem," Mike. It makes all the difference.
A feeble attempt to justify hypocrisy. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:39 PM
 
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God doesn't give a flying fig what you believe or don't.

Just don't hurt anyone or anything without just cause.

And yeah, you'll know if it's just or not. Now, or eventually. There's no escaping responsibility.
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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If we follow the love of Christ, everything else will take care of itself.
not even the mosted stupidedest militant in da world could argue this.

I know because I can't.
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