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What are your thoughts on the End Times?
Many believe we are going to be raptured away
before we go through the seven year tribulation
and Yes I know rapture is not in the Bible,It's the
second coming.
Anyhow, why should we escape any real trial or tribulation?
Our Lord and Savior went through it for us,why should we not have to go through it for Him.How can we be exalted over our Lord?His return is soon,are we ready?
The Bible said the "rapture" (Harpazo in Greek) will happen after the Great Tribulation. (Matt.24:29-31). The rapture is really the instantaneous death and resurrection of the elect who are still alive; they will be part of the 1st Resurrection in the gathering of the saints.
The purpose of this gathering is to raise up the administrators of Christ to rule with him for 1000 years. They will be the kings and priests to rule the humans on earth during the Millennium.
The rapture is NOT to save the elect from the Great Tribulation. The Pre-trib rapture is a false teaching of the Christian churches who don't keep all the 10 Commandments. I believe this is the Strong Delusion sent by God because they don't love the truth! They have all sorts of excuse why the 4th Command on Sabbath has been done away... why change the 7 Feasts of the Lord to Christmas, Easter, and other pagan practices that are abomination to God.
Jesus said to watch and pray so that we may escape all these things that will soon take place. God has a plan for the elect to be saved from the Great Tribulation, he promised to sent a prophet to lead them out to a safe place. (Malachi 4:5) Several times in the Bible we are told there will be blessings to those who keep the 10 Commandments and have faith in Jesus Christ! That is the prerequisite for one to escape the GT.
What are your thoughts on the End Times?
Many believe we are going to be raptured away
before we go through the seven year tribulation
and Yes I know rapture is not in the Bible,It's the
second coming.
Anyhow, why should we escape any real trial or tribulation?
Our Lord and Savior went through it for us,why should we not have to go through it for Him.How can we be exalted over our Lord?His return is soon,are we ready?
Well it really doesnt matter to me when we get raptured or if we go thru the tribulation. I would prefer my wife and kids not have to deal with such things, but ifit is Gods will then so be it.
I do believe we are living in the end times with such things as legalised homosexuality, rampant lawlessness, pornogrphy, vulgarity, I mean look at the teen age girls dressing worse than street hookers. Just about every nation in the world is at war right now in some form or another whether it be Jihad, gangs, riots, protests, guerilla warfare, can anyone legitimately name a country not affected by global violence.
The world governments are toying with one world government and monetery fund. Universalism is running so rampant it has infiltrated every faith in the world and could soon lead to one world religion.
Abortions are common place, teen sex is running rampant, stds are out of control, sexual immorality is promoted as an acceptable pass time.
Yes I believe the times are rapidly becoming worse than the time of Noah.
It's bunk and a convenient way for the Lindseys, Hagees, et. al. to make plenty of money preying on the fearful. Read The Rapture Exposed by Lutheran theologian Barbara R. Rossing.
The Bible said the "rapture" (Harpazo in Greek) will happen after the Great Tribulation. (Matt.24:29-31). The rapture is really the instantaneous death and resurrection of the elect who are still alive; they will be part of the 1st Resurrection in the gathering of the saints.
The purpose of this gathering is to raise up the administrators of Christ to rule with him for 1000 years. They will be the kings and priests to rule the humans on earth during the Millennium.
The rapture is NOT to save the elect from the Great Tribulation. The Pre-trib rapture is a false teaching of the Christian churches who don't keep all the 10 Commandments. I believe this is the Strong Delusion sent by God because they don't love the truth! They have all sorts of excuse why the 4th Command on Sabbath has been done away... why change the 7 Feasts of the Lord to Christmas, Easter, and other pagan practices that are abomination to God.
Jesus said to watch and pray so that we may escape all these things that will soon take place. God has a plan for the elect to be saved from the Great Tribulation, he promised to sent a prophet to lead them out to a safe place. (Malachi 4:5) Several times in the Bible we are told there will be blessings to those who keep the 10 Commandments and have faith in Jesus Christ! That is the prerequisite for one to escape the GT.
Greetings, Wilvan! Why stop at verse 31 of Matthew 24. Notice the rest of what Jesus says TO His first-century disciples standing right there with Him. THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as easily as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer--THEY were to know that it was NEAR--at the doors, when they saw the events about which Jesus has just told them! When would this ALL happen? "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL THESE THINGS (including verses 29-31) take place!
Again, these words were spoken TO those very disciples with Jesus on the mount. THEY were to hear of wars and rumors of wars; THEY were not to be troubled. THEY were to hear of earthquakes, and pestilences, and famines! THEY were to be hated and killed. Note especially verse 15--THEY were to see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet! WE are not directly addressed here, Wilvan--Jesus' first-century disciples who asked Him the question were! Jesus told THEM to watch and pray so that THEY could escape. When THEY saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies (abomination of desolation--Luke 21), THEY were to flee. That is the context!
Greetings, Wilvan! Why stop at verse 31 of Matthew 24. Notice the rest of what Jesus says TO His first-century disciples standing right there with Him. THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as easily as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer--THEY were to know that it was NEAR--at the doors, when they saw the events about which Jesus has just told them! When would this ALL happen? "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL THESE THINGS (including verses 29-31) take place!
Again, these words were spoken TO those very disciples with Jesus on the mount. THEY were to hear of wars and rumors of wars; THEY were not to be troubled. THEY were to hear of earthquakes, and pestilences, and famines! THEY were to be hated and killed. Note especially verse 15--THEY were to see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet! WE are not directly addressed here, Wilvan--Jesus' first-century disciples who asked Him the question were! Jesus told THEM to watch and pray so that THEY could escape. When THEY saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies (abomination of desolation--Luke 21), THEY were to flee. That is the context!
In Christ, Preterist
Why are we still under the curse of sin?
Why are there still non believers?
Why is there still war?
Israel wasnt even a nation in the first century, it was Palestine.
Israel wasnt even a nation in the first century, it was Palestine.
Greetings, Robin: Do you not realize that your questions come from your misconceptions and not from biblical truths? You wrongly believe that there will be an end of the world and an end to sinning, and a re-establishment of OT Israel and then you impose those wrong beliefs upon the Scriptures?
Those who are Christ's are not under the curse of sin? Only those who attempt to be justified by the law remain under the curse of sin (Galatians 3:10).
There will always be unbelievers. Christ never came to do away with them but to ransom some from among them!
ALL promises to Israel are fulfilled in the Church--the true Israel. There is no war, no sin, and no unbelievers in the heavenly Jerusalem--the kingdom, the new "heavens" and "earth."
Did not Peter say--"The end of ALL things is at hand" (1 Peter 4:7). Those things pertained to the old covenant that was then, in Peter's day, growing old, becoming obsolete, and near to passing away (Heb. 8). All the promises were fulfilled in the coming of the new covenant (new heavens and new earth). Luke made this clear (Luke 21:22)--"THESE are the days of vengeance, in order that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED." All things written were fulfilled in those days, Robin.
There was an age that was and an age that was then ABOUT to be (Mat. 12:32). Paul told the Corinthians that the "ends of the ages" had already come upon THEM (1 Cor. 10:11; cf. Eph. 1:21)). The end was the end of Judaism and the age that was about to come was the eternal age of the Church, the true Israel of God. The OT Israel was a type or a shadow of the substance, anti-type and reality brought about through the death, burial, resurrection, and return of Christ! See Col. 2:16-17--" . . . things which are a shadow of what is ABOUT TO COME."
Again, your questions arise from your misconceptions! The answers are found in the clear TIMING of the NT, timing you, unfortunately, refuse to acknowledge.
Greetings, Robin: Do you not realize that your questions come from your misconceptions and not from biblical truths? You wrongly believe that there will be an end of the world and an end to sinning, and a re-establishment of OT Israel and then you impose those wrong beliefs upon the Scriptures?
Those who are Christ's are not under the curse of sin? Only those who attempt to be justified by the law remain under the curse of sin (Galatians 3:10).
There will always be unbelievers. Christ never came to do away with them but to ransom some from among them!
ALL promises to Israel are fulfilled in the Church--the true Israel. There is no war, no sin, and no unbelievers in the heavenly Jerusalem--the kingdom, the new "heavens" and "earth."
Did not Peter say--"The end of ALL things is at hand" (1 Peter 4:7). Those things pertained to the old covenant that was then, in Peter's day, growing old, becoming obsolete, and near to passing away (Heb. 8). All the promises were fulfilled in the coming of the new covenant (new heavens and new earth). Luke made this clear (Luke 21:22)--"THESE are the days of vengeance, in order that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED." All things written were fulfilled in those days, Robin.
There was an age that was and an age that was then ABOUT to be (Mat. 12:32). Paul told the Corinthians that the "ends of the ages" had already come upon THEM (1 Cor. 10:11; cf. Eph. 1:21)). The end was the end of Judaism and the age that was about to come was the eternal age of the Church, the true Israel of God. The OT Israel was a type or a shadow of the substance, anti-type and reality brought about through the death, burial, resurrection, and return of Christ! See Col. 2:16-17--" . . . things which are a shadow of what is ABOUT TO COME."
Again, your questions arise from your misconceptions! The answers are found in the clear TIMING of the NT, timing you, unfortunately, refuse to acknowledge.
Sincerely, Preterist
I sort of figured you would answer like that, but it was worth a try. It seems we both think each other has misconceptions. We spiritualize and literalize in different directions.
Greetings, Wilvan! Why stop at verse 31 of Matthew 24. Notice the rest of what Jesus says TO His first-century disciples standing right there with Him. THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as easily as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer--THEY were to know that it was NEAR--at the doors, when they saw the events about which Jesus has just told them! When would this ALL happen? "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL THESE THINGS (including verses 29-31) take place!
Again, these words were spoken TO those very disciples with Jesus on the mount. THEY were to hear of wars and rumors of wars; THEY were not to be troubled. THEY were to hear of earthquakes, and pestilences, and famines! THEY were to be hated and killed. Note especially verse 15--THEY were to see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet! WE are not directly addressed here, Wilvan--Jesus' first-century disciples who asked Him the question were! Jesus told THEM to watch and pray so that THEY could escape. When THEY saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies (abomination of desolation--Luke 21), THEY were to flee. That is the context!
In Christ, Preterist
Most of the Biblical prophecies are dual in nature. The original Abomination of Desolation took place in 168 when Antiochus Epiphanies desecrated the Holy Temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar. In the future, another desecration of the Temple by the Antichrist will happen as he surrounds Jerusalem with his army and he sits on the Temple to be worshiped as God.
This has to be a future event as there was never a time when a World dictator caused everyone to have the Mark on their forehead or right hand to buy and sell. Moreover, if you think the Bible is not talking of future events, when did the Battle of Armageddon happened in the past with 200 Million army of the Antichrist destroyed by Jesus and his saints after they touched down on Mt.Olives? How about the Millennium rule of Christ? The Great White Throne Judgment? The New Heaven and the New Earth?
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