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Maybe because they learned from the OT and ... the NT contains NOTHING explicit and it would have absolutely have had to with such a dramatic change. Look at circumcision and it is nothing compared to going from Monotheism to the Trinity. The Jews would have been screaming about the heresy and ..... before the 4th century they only complained about a developing binity in the 2nd century. Why? No Trinity to oppose. A later invention.
Hear oh Israel: the LORD (YHWH ) our God is one LORD (YHWH)
The tetragrammaton (YHWH ) only applies to God or LORD.
Psalm 110:1 KJV Bibles mentions two (2) LORD/Lord's
The LORD in all upper-case letters is where stands the tetragrammaton -YHWH
The Lord Not in all upper case letters stands for the Lord Jesus. The tetragrammaton never applies to Jesus.
Yep
In fact the word Lord in Hebrew has a different spelling when used of God and it is NEVER used with that spelling of Jesus. In PS110:1 it is YHWH and Adonai/Lord (God/Jehovah and the lord/Jesus in context).
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By non-trinitarian, I mean those who believe that the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate beings, and that Jesus Christ was in fact not actually Emanuel (God with us).
Historically, Christianity has considered such a belief to be heretical, and outside the realm of orthodoxy.
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As far as I am aware, although I'm sure there are a few others that I can't think of at the moment, this refers to at least Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.
Those are 2 of them, yes.
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My question to you is, do you believe that the Trinity as a doctrine is essential for a truly Christian identity, or if you are someone who rejects the trinity, then do you believe that your own understanding of how the members of the Godhead relate to one another is essential, and how does that impact how you view Christians on the other side of the coin?
If Jesus is not God, then he is incapable of being sinless. His death is worthless to me in that case. So, yah---Christianity requries him to be God.
Hmmm....Jesus was a Jew...The Christians claim their ancestry from Judaism, they use a corrupted version of the TaNaKh...So, my question still stands, how does Christianity know but the Jews don't?...Because it was not a belief until 325 CE...
Hmmm....Jesus was a Jew...The Christians claim their ancestry from Judaism, they use a corrupted version of the TaNaKh...So, my question still stands, how does Christianity know but the Jews don't?...Because it was not a belief until 325 CE...
Yet.....Jesus' own words are recorded in the Gospels claiming to be God. Moderator cut: deleted
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Hear oh Israel: the LORD (YHWH ) our God is one LORD (YHWH)
4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. דשְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהֹוָה | אֶחָד:
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Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4
The tetragrammaton (YHWH ) only applies to God or LORD.
Psalm 110:1 KJV Bibles mentions two (2) LORD/Lord's
The LORD in all upper-case letters is where stands the tetragrammaton -YHWH
The Lord Not in all upper case letters stands for the Lord Jesus.
The tetragrammaton never applies to Jesus.
The second lord is not referring to Jesus...
1Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."
Rashi's Commentary:
The word of the Lord to my master: Our Rabbis interpreted it as referring to Abraham our father, and I shall explain it according to their words (Mid. Ps. 110:1): The word of the Lord to Abraham, whom the world called “my master,” as it is written (Gen. 23: 6): “Hearken to us, my master.” “Wait for My right hand”: Wait for My salvation and hope for the Lord. [The root] ישיבה means only waiting, as Scripture states (Deut. 1:46): “And you stayed (ותשבו) in Kadesh for many days.” for My right hand: For the salvation of My right hand. until I make your enemies: Amraphel and his allies.
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Hmmm....Jesus was a Jew...The Christians claim their ancestry from Judaism, they use a corrupted version of the TaNaKh...So, my question still stands, how does Christianity know but the Jews don't?...Because it was not a belief until 325 CE...
Yet Jesus was also the awaited messiah, which the Jews deny, so how reliable are they?
By non-trinitarian, I mean those who believe that the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate beings, and that Jesus Christ was in fact not actually Emanuel (God with us).
As far as I am aware, although I'm sure there are a few others that I can't think of at the moment, this refers to at least Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.
My question to you is, do you believe that the Trinity as a doctrine is essential for a truly Christian identity, or if you are someone who rejects the trinity, then do you believe that your own understanding of how the members of the Godhead relate to one another is essential, and how does that impact how you view Christians on the other side of the coin?
You seem very confused on the facts of reality
Fact--every Israelite from Moses up until this very day served a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah)
Fact-This is the God taught to Matt, Mark, Luke , John, Peter and Jesus all went to the temples and synagogues to worship-YHVH)Jehovah) a single being God.
This God-John 4:22-24--- This God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12, 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6,1Cor 15:24-28, 1Peter 1:3, Rev 1:6--- you see that--Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father. because its fact.
There is 0 trinity god in existence----Fact--Mark 3:24-26--a house divided( 33,000 trinity based religions) will not stand)---they are not Gods. they are this-2Thess 2:3
Originally Posted by twin.spin Yes he did.
Whether it's your lack of or wanton not willing to ( or quite possible being not permitted to) is irrelevant to the truth since hat it is as revealed in the KJV.
Then believe the KJV not the liars who twist it.
John 14:28 reads.
KJV John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Note the "I am" Lower case "am"? Why because the KJV translators KNEW Jesus was not quoting EX 3;14 or "am" would be "AM" as in:
KJV Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Repeating what a liar tells you without even thinking about it, explains why the trinity is believed.
The KJV shows Jesus was imply claiming to exist (the meaning of the Greek ego eimi/I am)not any identity as God or the I AM of Ex 3:14.
The Trinity exists on twisting scripture, adding verses not in the original, quoting out of context, ignoring language and grammar and .... blindly believing men.
Yet.....Jesus' own words are recorded in the Gospels claiming to be God. Hmm.....weird, huh?
He never claimed to be G-d, weird, huh?...Beside, those words are what someone said that he said...
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