If I have gay feelings, I must fight them? (atheist, pagan, Christian)
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Back then it was not widely known gays could get HIV or AIDS.
Care to tell us what year you were in the 12th grade? That would be helpful. Since I doubt you're willing to share the name of this remarkable institution which was decades ahead of its time.
Last edited by DewDropInn; 07-02-2015 at 08:14 PM..
I refuse to read this entire thread because I'm tired of the conversation about being gay. But I want to add that one of my three daughters WAS BORN GAY and I knew it from the time she was about 6 YEARS OLD that something was definitely different about her compared to the average type of little girl. She hated dresses, dolls, and wearing a shirt. She never wanted to look pretty. She wanted boy toys for Christmas - you know the play tool set, the Ninja Turtles, the cars. We gave them to her. She hated to have her hair messed with and would not let me put bows in it. She never ever wanted a Barbie doll or any of that kind of stuff. She was super self motivated in school and graduated Valedictorian of her high school class of 504 students. She was accepted to M.I.T. and got her bachelors degree there, then went on to Cal Tech for her Masters degree and now has a fabulous job. She met her life partner while at M.I.T. - her partner graduated from Harvard. They met on a college field trip. They have now been together for about 5 years and intend to marry and have a child together. I love both of them dearly. Imagine me trying to change who they are and cutting myself off from the wonderful loving relationship I have with both of them. NO WAY would I do that. It would be ungodly to do that.
All learned behavior...as is a murderer, molester, idiot (unless complications in the DNA code and born with a disability)
Seems sexual orientation is PREDETERMINED--unless you can tell me the day you chose to start liking females and no longer were attracted to males...
Exactly. I loved boys from a very young age!!! I chased them on the playground. It was hard-wired in my DNA, no doubt. Had I felt that way about girls, I guess I would have had to suppress my natural feelings because of societies rules. Probably would just have been a Tom-Boy and hidden my attraction for the same sex.
Exactly. I loved boys from a very young age!!! I chased them on the playground. It was hard-wired in my DNA, no doubt. Had I felt that way about girls, I guess I would have had to suppress my natural feelings because of societies rules. Probably would just have been a Tom-Boy and hidden my attraction for the same sex.
That's exactly what millions have had to do for hundreds of years.
But no more.
Slowly but surely, despite the impotent bellowing of the floundering fundavangelists, the good guys are winning and people are more free than ever to acknowledge their true spirits.
Where did I ever say all gays die of aids? Why do you feel you have to lie to make a point?
Of course some do die of aids and hiv, get over it. Back then it was not widely known gays could get HIV or AIDS. At least not where I lived. Or they just didn't let the cat out of the bag. I don't know. All I know is one can have some friends who are gay and still care for them even if one does not approve of their lifestyle. Jesus surely would have ministered to them and not kicked them to the side of the road like some of you self-righteous folks on these boards.
Of course Jesus would minister to gays---and, imo, He did!!! Read the story of the centurion and his sick slave boy (Matthew 8 and Luke 7). You like to study Greek, and the Greek word pais is used in both instances. The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.
And if it was, then this fits in very neatly with Jesus turning the OT upside down on its head by accepting and caring for gentiles, Samaritans, lepers, women, including adulterous women, and just about every other kind of outcast.
In the language of the time, pais had three possible meanings depending upon the context in which it was used. It could mean “son or boy;” it could mean “servant,” or it could mean a particular type of servant — one who was “his master’s male lover.” The fact that the centurion didn't even want Jesus in his house may say something about how he understood Jews might see his situation.
In Matthew's account when speaking here of his slaves, the centurion uses the word doulos. But when speaking of the one he is asking Jesus to heal, he uses only pais. In other words, when he is quoted in Matthew, the centurion uses pais only when referring to the sick person. He uses a different word, doulos, when speaking of his other slaves, as if to draw a distinction. (In Luke, it is others, not the centurion, who call the sick one an entimos doulos.)
So when the centurion asks for Jesus' healing for his pais without hesitation, Jesus says, “Then I will come and heal him.”
It’s that simple! Jesus didn’t say, “Are you kidding? I’m not going to heal your pais so you can go on living in sin!” Nor did he say, “Well, it shouldn’t surprise you that your pais is sick; this is God’s judgment on your relationship.” But Jesus had every opportunity to do so.
Instead, Jesus’ words are simple, clear, and liberating for all who have worried about what God thinks of gay relationships. “I will come and heal him.”
At this point, the centurion says there is no need for Jesus to travel to his home. He has faith that Jesus’ word is sufficient. Jesus then turns to the good people standing around him — those who were already dumbfounded that he was willing to heal this man’s male lover. To them, Jesus says in verse 10 of Matthew’s account, “I have not found faith this great anywhere in Israel.” In other words, Jesus holds up this gay centurion as an example of the type of faith others should aspire to.
Jesus didn’t just tolerate this gay centurion. He said he was an example of faith — someone we all should strive to be like.
Then, just so the good, God-fearing people wouldn’t miss his point, Jesus speaks again in verse 11: “I tell you, many will come from the east and the west [beyond the borders of Israel] to find a seat in the kingdom of heaven, while the heirs [those considered likely to inherit heaven] will be thrown into outer darkness.” By this statement Jesus affirmed that many others like this gay centurion — those who come from beyond the assumed boundaries of God’s grace — are going to be admitted to the kingdom of heaven. And he also warned that many who think themselves the most likely to be admitted will be left out.
Exactly. I loved boys from a very young age!!! I chased them on the playground. It was hard-wired in my DNA, no doubt. Had I felt that way about girls, I guess I would have had to suppress my natural feelings because of societies rules. Probably would just have been a Tom-Boy and hidden my attraction for the same sex.
Let me repeat, I was born an adulterer and a fornicator, because I wanted to have sex with as many girls as possible. I did not learn those desires, they were hard wired into my DNA. I am not making this up.
However, I am not using that hard-wiring as an excuse to justify those desires and make it look like it is morally proper to be an adulterer and a fornicator. The word of God is clear about adultery and fornication. It is sinful. I am not making an exception for myself saying it is ok because it was hard-wired into my DNA.
"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"
You might have heard of Ray Comfort. He is the guy who walks around the beach area in California talking to people and asking them questions about their life, how they saw their morality. He has a great way of helping people see the truth of the Gospel, and why they need Christ.
Care to tell us what year you were in the 12th grade? That would be helpful. Since I doubt you're willing to share the name of this remarkable institution which was decades ahead of its time.
I done gradadated in 1973.
Just for fun my friends once took me to a gay bar in Columbus Ohio when I was in 12th grade. Can't remember the name of the bar. There was nothing going on in the bar. Just a bunch of guys drinking beers. Then all of a sudden some drag queens came in. It was surreal. I never saw anything like it. Police would walk through as well.
I have a friend who is a Christian now. He has been battling HIV issues most of his life. He said when he was young he was curious about other guys and just did only one act. That one act infected him. He has all sorts of problems and has been dealing with his health issues since that day.
My twin brother used to live in an upscale apartment complex in Columbus Ohio which has lots of gay people living in it. He would point to this one guy and say: "See his swollen neck? His neck has been that way for years from being gay."
So if you guys even think of doing it with another guy, I would first suggest you research all the health problems associated with that lifestyle first. It is anything but "gay." It is rather sad.
And I similarly know people who have caught sexual diseases from one single heterosexual experience. So your anecdote, if even true, is less than relevant. That some people engage in one sexual act ever and get unlucky enough to contract something has EVERYTHING to do with statistical probability and NOTHING to do with homosexuality.
ANYONE engaging in sexual interaction with others should be aware of the health problems and risks associated with it. This is mere common sense and again has NOTHING to do with your propaganda anecdote generator fueling an anti homosexual agenda. Being aware of the risks associated with sexual expression is independent of sexuality. Everyone should be doing it.
Forgive me father I have sinned, I am really a hot lesbian trapped in a man's body.
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