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Saying that someone's actions or lifestyle is sinning is not "hate".
Is it hateful to say that thieves are sinning when they steal?
Is it hateful to say that adulterers are sinning when they cheat on their spouse?
Just because you may disagree with another's belief doesn't make their belief hateful.
Now granted, many people can use their "faith" as an excuse to be hateful.
We all have seen that far more than anyone would like, but simply stating that ones behavior is sinful is NOT hateful.
Most, if not all, of the OP is outright ridiculous. Again, the double standard is laughable.
Imagine if the word "conservative Christian" were replaced with any other group of people and falsehood after falsehood were spewed.
Oh the uproar from the same people posting with glee in this very thread...
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Just because you may disagree with another's belief doesn't make their belief hateful.
Leading people to be depressed, lonely, miserable, and attempt/commit suicide, because of ignorant beliefs and prejudices is most definitely hateful. It doesn't just end at "Same-sex relationships are sinful". It manifests itself as hateful actions, discrimination, oppression, bullying, murder, etc. etc.
The conservative Christian beliefs on this topic are inherently evil. They do nothing but hurt people.
Leading people to be depressed, lonely, miserable, and attempt/commit suicide, because of ignorant beliefs and prejudices is most definitely hateful. It doesn't just end at "Same-sex relationships are sinful". It manifests itself as hateful actions, discrimination, oppression, bullying, murder, etc. etc.
The conservative Christian beliefs on this topic are inherently evil. They do nothing but hurt people.
If anything "manifests itself as hateful actions, discrimination, oppression, bullying, murder, etc. etc." Then it rightfully should be called hateful. But not before.
Muslims will outright kill gays. Christians would like to see them change their behavior.
These are very very different.
Yet you just said "Ideologically, I honestly see no difference between the two".
If anything "manifests itself as hateful actions, discrimination, oppression, bullying, murder, etc. etc." Then it rightfully should be called hateful. But not before.
Ideology can be hateful without action. Radical Islam is hateful, regardless of whether Muslims act on that hate.
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Muslims will outright kill gays. Christians would like to see them change their behavior.
Christians outright kill gay people too. An entire Christian country tried to pass a bill to exterminate gays with backing from American Evangelicals. And what would you like gays to do? They're not going to stop being gay, so does changing their behavior mean forcing themselves to be celibate?
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These are very very different.
Nope, they're not. Christians just primarily live in the 1st world where they can't get away with what they'd like to do. So instead they attack gays' civil rights.
He wasn't compassionate towards her sinful behavior. He said "go and sin no more" not "hey it's ok, sin all ya want, I won't judge you"
He was absolutely compassionate. Once more you show scriptural ignorance. What sinners did Jesus directly promise hell toward? YOUR kind of sinners--bible believers (Pharisees) who thought scripture trumped people--as you consistently recommend in your repetitious posts.
I even stated in another thread that "Go and sin no more," is the classic choice of those who don't follow Jesus.
Do you think she never sinned again? Or do you maintain she could sin freely as long as it wasn't sexual sin?
Regardless Jesus slam dunked the Pharisees and sent that awful, sinful woman on her way.
You shall be one of those saying "Lord, when did we see you hungry?" (and the Bible tell us to feed you). "Or when did we see you naked and imprisoned?" (and the Bible told us to clothe you and visit you in prison).
You impugn the righteousness of Christ to be the self-righteousness of the Pharisaical fundamentalist.
Flee those preachers. Poke your eardrums out with an awl. It is better to go through life unable to hear false prophets whispering sweet nothings in your ears rather than to slam the door shut on people God created for His own purpose--which I believe was to separate the righteous who love them from the unrighteous who condemn them.
Jesus was compassionate because the Torah says BOTH the woman and man must be brought out and judged, so since it was the woman only and man wasnt there, Jesus would have been breaking law the (sinning) if he said it was okay to stone the woman.
Leviticus 20:10(NKJV)
10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
Where did Jesus say that? YOU are the one reaching that conclusion and putting words in Jesus' mouth.
Flat out tell us openly if you think that had the adulterer been brought before Jesus He would have cast the first stone Himself.
I say you know better and are using a made up story to "protect" your bible rather than use the Spirit of those verses to convict your heart.
Well LGBT people feel they have been attacked and hurt for a very long time, and they are correct. Now they want to attack and hurt those who hurt them. Oops that makes them as bad as those they object to. Where are the truly good and loving people?
The majority of homosexuals just want to be left alone to do their own thing. It is not in your heart to do that--you wish to dictate how they live, who they may marry, whether or not they can have children or even whether or not they can hold a job "acceptable" to you. Sounds like a "loving" christian alright.
The religious right was the one holding secret meetings in the early nineties to discuss political strategies to disenfranchise homosexuals.
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---the strategy of focusing on local elections and planning for the long-haul is not enough. A movement requires another ingredient. For years, in the shadow of communism, the hard right had a villain. And they milked it for all it was worth. The religious right took it a step further and ferociously attacked "secular humanism," a philosophy the Rev. Tim LaHaye called "the world's most dangerous religion."
With the fall of communism, however, the hard right lost a valuable element of its crusade. The movement was desperately in need of a new devil. For a while, the hard right rode on the wave of anti-abortion sentiment. Abortion is a losing political issue, though, and the religious right has, to a large degree, let the ultra-radicals in the movement deal with it. (One should not think that the fight to preserve choice is over. In some ways, that war is intensifying, simply because of the radical element carrying on the fight against abortion rights.)
The radical right thinks it has found the missing ingredient, the important social issue to galvanize the movement. It is "the militant homosexuals," or "the gay agenda."
For almost three years now, the majority of fund raising material coming from the religious right has focused on gay rights. These vicious and hysterical fund raising letters are proven moneymakers. Most of the top religious right groups have picked up on this theme.
Groups such as the Oregon Citizens Alliance and Colorado for Family Values (CFV), started fighting gay rights in their states at the grass roots. They introduced the term "special rights," to imply that gays and lesbians wanted more than equal rights. Only recently have larger national groups become involved in strategy and planning.
You simply are duped into swallowing what right wing fund raisers want you to do. It is the same strategy Hitler used in stirring up hate first toward homosexuals and later toward Jews.
Just make sure you at least have an understanding of where all you "agenda" ideas come from. The lie has been told for over two decades now, and people are still unable to dig out from under the manure their leaders have been shoveling on them.
Muslims will outright kill gays. Christians would like to see them change their behavior.
Correction. SOME Christians. Usually right-wing fundamentalist Christians.
The LGBTQ community would like to see the fundamentalists change their behavior. That behavior has causes no end of grief for LGBTQ on the receiving end of their version of religion.
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...feeling tired of Christians being called right wing. Why must we place Christians in the political categorizations of modern day world, Christ niether represents Right or Left in American politics.
Where did Jesus say that? YOU are the one reaching that conclusion and putting words in Jesus' mouth.
Flat out tell us openly if you think that had the adulterer been brought before Jesus He would have cast the first stone Himself.
I say you know better and are using a made up story to "protect" your bible rather than use the Spirit of those verses to convict your heart.
Jesus taught from the Torah, so he knew better, Lev 20:10 is very clear.
Leviticus 20:10(NKJV)
10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
Jesus came to uphold his fathers commands, so there is no way he could allow that woman to be stoned when Lev 20:10 says the man must be present too and there would have to have been witnesses as both stood and gave an account for that. Im pretty sure if the man were present, Jesus would have allowed the stoning or he could have told the man involved to go sin no more as well.
But he had no choice but to let the woman go, as she was being accused but the man wasnt there as well.
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