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We are in a Christian forum... I am referring to unbelievers in Jesus Christ.
Has nothing to do with respect... it's simply on the basis of a person believing in Christ or not...
No, actually, it has a lot to do with respect and there is a constant mystery around here as to why people are "so nasty toward" Christians. Do you really want to learn the answers to such questions or not? If not, that's fine. You're free and over 21, I presume. Otherwise, I think what I said absolutely has merit, has a place (HERE, on the Christianity forum) and highlights a hypocrisy that may indeed be causing a whole lot of the troubles Christians complain of as far as the opposition they receive.
Your comment was a very basic, very direct illustration of how your thinking, as a Christian, may be bigoted, one-sided, short-sighted and yes, offensive.
I think you are referring to OT prophesies such as Jeremiah about a new covenant with the house of Judah and Israel right?
It's true that there are yet future promises to be fulfilled to the Jewish people:
Jeremiah 31:27-28 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
There is a new covenant indeed with the house of Israel and of Judah, and part of that new covenant is the ingrafting of the Gentiles in the Olive Tree. And there is a hardening of unbelief after they rejected their Mashiach, over Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in. I think the time we are living in now is the time right before Israel will look upon Him whom they've pierced, Yeshua, recognise Him as the Mashiach and mourn over Him like over an only son. (Zech. 12:10, also described in Isaiah 53)
Romans 11:23-27 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? All Israel Shall Be Saved. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Only when they come to accept Yeshua HaMashiach by faith, will that covenant come to fruition and will the Lord watch over them, to build and to plant. And this is the wonderful new covenant (that is made already, but will be fulfilled when Israel accepts their Mashiach) we can look ahead to:
Jeremiah31:33-34 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No, actually, it has a lot to do with respect and there is a constant mystery around here as to why people are "so nasty toward" Christians. Do you really want to learn the answers to such questions or not? If not, that's fine. You're free and over 21, I presume. Otherwise, I think what I said absolutely has merit, has a place (HERE, on the Christianity forum) and highlights a hypocrisy that may indeed be causing a whole lot of the troubles Christians complain of as far as the opposition they receive.
Your comment was a very basic, very direct illustration of how your thinking, as a Christian, may be bigoted, one-sided, short-sighted and yes, offensive.
No it's not, but I understand that I can't control how you take things.
I think you need to look at what you bring to the table as well. When you call people names, as you did above, what do you expect to get back? If you want decent dialogue - present yourself decently, and hopefully it will return to you.
No it's not, but I understand that I can't control how you take things.
I think you need to look at what you bring to the table as well. When you call people names, as you did above, what do you expect to get back? If you want decent dialogue - present yourself decently, and hopefully it will return to you.
Thank you for the advice...are you planning on taking it yourself?
Being passive-aggressively insulting is NO better than "calling someone names"...it's just sneaker.
Way, way sneakier.
My own advice was solid, made sense, addresses something that has been prevalent among certain factions of Christianity since near its beginning, and was fully legitimate. Take it or leave it, but don't attempt to turn it around just because it displeases you to be called out.
kill and eat. kill it and grill it.
seems simple enough to me.
Is it the word "kill" that bothers you?
Is that all there is to it? A command to eat foreign foods? Another believing Christian has already responded here saying that it represented taking the gospel to foreigners. So what does it mean to "kill and eat" people?
Why would you say that?. I speak from what rings within me to be true. I actually Learned to reason together, rather than being a closed shop protecting all of my prejudices, biases and misconceptions I had accumulated(especially through fundamentalism) through the years about GOd. I began eating that which fundamentalists told me was unclean.
Is that all there is to it? A command to eat foreign foods? Another believing Christian has already responded here saying that it represented taking the gospel to foreigners. So what does it mean to "kill and eat" people?
People choose what they want to believe is literal and what is allegory in the bible. Christians especially. The snake in Eden is allegory, the Flood is literal, Sodom and Gomorrah is literal, covering one's head is symbolic, marriage between man and woman in Jesus' words REALLY MEANT no homosexuality even though he never once actually mentioned homosexuality, hell is literal...AND symbolic...well, parts are literal...and parts are symbolic, psalms that mention actual kings actually symbolize the eventual coming of the messiah...but the actual messiah was actually literal and actually literally said everything much later attributed to him, and on and on and on with the picking and choosing. In light of this very, very obvious fact, what's wrong with this passage being literal? Why would it have to be symbolic?
"So what does it mean to kill and eat (?)": it means...take an animal, kill it, and eat it. I daresay you can't eat it without killing it first. Well, I guess you COULD but there would be a lot of screaming, writhing and dangerous hooves involved, so...
It COULD symbolize taking the gospel to foreigners. It could represent killing our own negative natures and consuming them into nothing. It could represent the next episode of Breaking Bad. But it MIGHT not represent anything; it might literally mean: kill animals and eat them.
Again, to me it's pretty clear that this was invented in order to bring gentiles into the fold as not enough Jews were buying what the new "Christians" were selling. They were saying: Look! You can still have your pork! We promise! Because our Eternal God...changed His mind.
It's as simple as that. In that way it does indeed tie into taking the message to "foreigners," yes.
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