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Old 07-06-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
Being saved from God? No, being saved from sin that in turn incurs death. To turn from wrong doing is to turn towards God. There is no saving for those that turn away from God.

As I brought out in another thread. There's a hidden cliff. There's a sign at the cliff that says, "Danger Cliff! Don't jump in, you will die." A person ignores the sign, jumps in anyway and dies. Who's to blame? Gravity? The sign? The person that put up the sign? Or the person that decided to jump off the cliff? If a person doesn't fall because they read the sign and avoids the cliff, who is the savior? Isn't it the sign maker?

Folks have to realize there is a choice in all of this. Oh but there is no eternal fire BTW.
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
God is on your side. It is the devil you need saved from.
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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God is on your side. It is the devil you need saved from.

No arguments here!
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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God is on your side. It is the devil you need saved from.
If that's true, why does god let the devil exist. You guys never think anything through.


In your opinion, has god or the devil been on my side for the last 45 years?
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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Why does God let 2+2 equal 4? It just does. That's the way things are.
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Why does Bubonic plague exist?
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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God is on your side. It is the devil you need saved from.

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Why does Bubonic plague exist?

That's really not helping you out.

Your question should have asked..

Why did god create the Bubonic Plague, why did it use it to kill a a third of the population and why does it still let the plague exist?

A third of the human population... Well it wasn't a flood.
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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Being saved from God? No, being saved from sin that in turn incurs death. To turn from wrong doing is to turn towards God. There is no saving for those that turn away from God.

As I brought out in another thread. There's a hidden cliff. There's a sign at the cliff that says, "Danger Cliff! Don't jump in, you will die." A person ignores the sign, jumps in anyway and dies. Who's to blame? Gravity? The sign? The person that put up the sign? Or the person that decided to jump off the cliff? If a person doesn't fall because they read the sign and avoids the cliff, who is the savior? Isn't it the sign maker?

Folks have to realize there is a choice in all of this. Oh but there is no eternal fire BTW.
"Saved from sin?" What does that even mean?
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Don't blame the doctor for the disease
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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A bit like blaming the police for crime
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