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I read once that the potter is our imagination. Which I also believe is the beginning of all creation. How can anything be created without imagination ?.
If you ask why two words were used to describe how we were made in God's image and likeness, one answer would be we were made in God's imagination and like Him having imagination (in His likeness). Just saying.
You have a choice to make, choose wisely for you will reap what is sown.
Of course we make choices. But what **causes** those choices to be made. They are not causeless choices. They are not free from causality.
For instance, as an example: A man smokes for many years. He sees t.v. commercials aimed at the negatives of smoking. He now has a fear produced by those commercials of getting cancer. The fear is greater than his joy of smoking so he quits. So there were two forces pulling at him, joy and fear. Fear won the battle.
If there is a lesson to be learned from sowing and reaping it is because God made it so we would learn that lesson. The lesson doesn't come from nowhere.
The use of "potter" in Romans 9 gives us the basic meaning of the word. It is one who turns a lump of clay into a vessel for either honor or dishonor.
Some pieces of potter are used for holding beautiful flowers or wine, and some are made for bed pans or spittoons.
But in the end, all the vessels will be vessels of glory for He will have mercy on all (Romans 11:32).
So you agree the great potter is using imagination and taking that which is marred(not by the great potter but by imagination gone wild) and making it into something that he had first attended....... His likeness. For when we see him we shall be like him. So if our imagination can capture the same image the great potter works from what do you think will be the outcome ?
Here's a clue..... But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
Of course we make choices. But what **causes** those choices to be made. They are not causeless choices. They are not free from causality.
For instance, as an example: A man smokes for many years. He sees t.v. commercials aimed at the negatives of smoking. He now has a fear produced by those commercials of getting cancer. The fear is greater than his joy of smoking so he quits. So there were two forces pulling at him, joy and fear. Fear won the battle.
If there is a lesson to be learned from sowing and reaping it is because God made it so we would learn that lesson. The lesson doesn't come from nowhere.
I have the choice of smoking without the propaganda.
I have the choice of smoking without the propaganda.
But your choice is not uncaused. Therefore it is not truly free for if it were truly free it would have to be an uncaused choice free from all causality.
So you agree the great potter is using imagination and taking that which is marred(not by the great potter but by imagination gone wild) and making it into something that he had first attended....... His likeness. For when we see him we shall be like him. So if our imagination can capture the same image the great potter works from what do you think will be the outcome ?
Here's a clue..... But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
I didn't know I agreed that potter = imagination.
Jeremiah says the clay was marred in His hands (Jer.18:4) It doesn't say the clay marred itself by its own imagination. It is marred due to God's inviolable will and intention with the understanding that it won't always be marred. It will be changed with the new creation comes.
I agree though with you that we all are being changed. That is a wonderful thing!
Jeremiah says the clay was marred in His hands (Jer.18:4) It doesn't say the clay marred itself by its own imagination. It is marred due to God's inviolable will and intention with the understanding that it won't always be marred. It will be changed with the new creation comes.
I agree though with you that we all are being changed. That is a wonderful thing!
Of cause it was marred in his hands. He(the master potter)walked into the potters house picked up the clay and said what the hell have you done?.
Of cause it was marred in his hands. He(the master potter)walked into the potters house picked up the clay and said what the hell have you done?.
No, the potter would have to say "what the hell have I done?"
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