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It appears to me that the death of Jesus was brought about through human volition, given the political and religious powers of the day. Although at the same time, Jesus was fully aware that his message of love and what he represented to the status quo would ultimately lead to a violent death. Thus, his life was an issue in setting the captives free from the established sects of that day. But his death was not divinely foreordained as a penal substitution, whereas, there is no greater love than to lay one's own life down for that of another. Many are fixated on Jesus' death, and will accept nothing but the blood of Jesus, as "they know not, what they do." Although, there is only ONE whose undeniable innocence (not an ordinary victim) was able to change the process of scapegoating (a slaughterhouse religion, having a carnivorous diet). And, it’s a saving act of God; a victory over the powers of this world (men) and a defeat of death, reversing it through his Life and Resurrection. The cross may, indeed be, the centerpiece of the Christian religion, but it is not God's altar, or that of merely exchanging victims; bulls and goats for that of Christ as a substitution.
Beware of the yeast of the Pharisee's, so sad, or can't you see.
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I do see, and that's not the leaven of the Pharisees.....sorry, disagree, but carry on.....Peace
A blood sacrifice was never required, neither will it coverup a persons inequities.
How is it you do not understand that it was a reference to his life, not his death?
A blood sacrifice was never required, neither will it coverup a persons inequities. How is it you do not understand that it was a reference to his life, not his death?
Shalom
Oh, yes it was, and it covered up the sins of the people until the Day of Atonement once a year and then they started to accumulate them again. That's His design, His will. The other sin offerings only covered them over, but one day a year, they were REMOVED.
The same thing is getting ready to happen again, but most won't partake of it, because they have no clue what the pattern is, so therefore can't walk it out, and won't seek His face to find out. Because, after all, their sins are already dealt with. Funny then, it was said that whatever sins YOU remit, they are remitted and whatever sins you retain, they are retained, TO CHRISTIANS.
But no, you're right, there is no need for the laws, the feasts, or anything else. Peace
Oh, yes it was, and it covered up the sins of the people until the Day of Atonement once a year and then they started to accumulate them again. That's His design, His will. The other sin offerings only covered them over, but one day a year, they were REMOVED.
The same thing is getting ready to happen again, but most won't partake of it, because they have no clue what the pattern is, so therefore can't walk it out, and won't seek His face to find out. Because, after all, their sins are already dealt with. Funny then, it was said that whatever sins YOU remit, they are remitted and whatever sins you retain, they are retained, TO CHRISTIANS.
But no, you're right, there is no need for the laws, the feasts, or anything else. Peace
A blood sacrifice was never required, neither will it coverup a persons iniquities.
The utter barbarity and insanity of such a belief boggle the mind.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
Oh, yes it was, and it covered up the sins of the people until the Day of Atonement once a year and then they started to accumulate them again. That's His design, His will. The other sin offerings only covered them over, but one day a year, they were REMOVED.
The same thing is getting ready to happen again, but most won't partake of it, because they have no clue what the pattern is, so therefore can't walk it out, and won't seek His face to find out. Because, after all, their sins are already dealt with. Funny then, it was said that whatever sins YOU remit, they are remitted and whatever sins you retain, they are retained, TO CHRISTIANS.
But no, you're right, there is no need for the laws, the feasts, or anything else. Peace
2000+ years of civilization and advancement of knowledge and understanding and still this barbaric meme persists!
Liberal Christians here are as unwilling to learn from others as those they rail against. I'm aware of your denominational "growth", aka rejection of scripture in order to match societal whims.
And again the nastiness that's characteristic of the fundamentalist set bubbles to the surface. I know you aren't as stupid as you are pretending to be with that statement, jimmiej.
I'm sure you're hoping to score high fives and giggles with your quotation-loving crew by your snotty little remark, but you know it's not true. Since you like to get gold stars on your bible verse chart so much, how about one of the basics: Thou shall not bear false witness. That's what you are doing by making such a dismissive claim.
People who sought Christ beyond the confines of written words and rules of men agonized and studied and discussed and prayed over stepping away from the comfortable set of rules and regulations that kept "them" out and realized that exclusivity is not what Christ is about. They took risks and lost friends and family and churches, while you sit in your safe little spot where everyone else looks and thinks and talks and quotes Scripture in place of speaking just like you and point fingers at the people who take those risks and spout untruths about them so that you don't have to feel any discomfort. Is that what Jesus did? Is that what he asked his apostles to do?
I don't even get what you mean by "denominational growth". It's not about denominations. It's about people of like mind finding one another to get done what has to be done and ending up in the same place.
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And again the nastiness that's characteristic of the fundamentalist set bubbles to the surface. I know you aren't as stupid as you are pretending to be with that statement, jimmiej.
I'm sure you're hoping to score high fives and giggles with your quotation-loving crew by your snotty little remark, but you know it's not true. Since you like to get gold stars on your bible verse chart so much, how about one of the basics: Thou shall not bear false witness. That's what you are doing by making such a dismissive claim.
People who sought Christ beyond the confines of written words and rules of men agonized and studied and discussed and prayed over stepping away from the comfortable set of rules and regulations that kept "them" out and realized that exclusivity is not what Christ is about. They took risks and lost friends and family and churches, while you sit in your safe little spot where everyone else looks and thinks and talks and quotes Scripture in place of speaking just like you and point fingers at the people who take those risks and spout untruths about them so that you don't have to feel any discomfort. Is that what Jesus did? Is that what he asked his apostles to do?
The utter barbarity and insanity of such a belief boggle the mind.
2000+ years of civilization and advancement of knowledge and understanding and still this barbaric meme persists!
And again the nastiness that's characteristic of the fundamentalist set bubbles to the surface. I know you aren't as stupid as you are pretending to be with that statement, jimmiej.
I'm sure you're hoping to score high fives and giggles with your quotation-loving crew by your snotty little remark, but you know it's not true. Since you like to get gold stars on your bible verse chart so much, how about one of the basics: Thou shall not bear false witness. That's what you are doing by making such a dismissive claim.
People who sought Christ beyond the confines of written words and rules of men agonized and studied and discussed and prayed over stepping away from the comfortable set of rules and regulations that kept "them" out and realized that exclusivity is not what Christ is about. They took risks and lost friends and family and churches, while you sit in your safe little spot where everyone else looks and thinks and talks and quotes Scripture in place of speaking just like you and point fingers at the people who take those risks and spout untruths about them so that you don't have to feel any discomfort. Is that what Jesus did? Is that what he asked his apostles to do?
I don't even get what you mean by "denominational growth". It's not about denominations. It's about people of like mind finding one another to get done what has to be done and ending up in the same place.
You are doing the same thing you accuse me of. You liberals claim to be enlightened, but you're no different from those you rail against.
And as usual, if you can't think of anything else to say, just personally attack the poster.
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Peace
