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Old 08-28-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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A recently deciphered 1200 year-old Coptic manuscript found in an Egyptian monastery known as the monastery of St. Michaels offers several tantalizes passages which show that Jesus used his divine powers to shapeshift in front of Pilate and that his ability to change shape may have been the reason why Judas used a kiss to identify him.

The ancient text tells of Pontius Pilate, the judge who authorized Jesus' crucifixion, having dinner with Jesus before his crucifixion and offering to sacrifice his own son in the place of Jesus.

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"Without further ado, Pilate prepared a table and he ate with Jesus on the fifth day of the week. And Jesus blessed Pilate and his whole house," reads part of the text in translation. Pilate later tells Jesus, "well then, behold, the night has come, rise and withdraw, and when the morning comes and they accuse me because of you, I shall give them the only son I have so that they can kill him in your place."
Jesus refuses and tells Pilate:

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"Oh Pilate, you have been deemed worthy of a great grace because you have shown a good disposition to me." Jesus also showed Pilate that he can escape if he chose to. "Pilate, then, looked at Jesus and, behold, he became incorporeal: He did not see him for a long time ..." the text read.
Are there precedents for this ability in earlier church texts?

Most certainly there are. In Origen's Contra Celsum Origen writes:

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"to those who saw him [Jesus] he did not appear alike to all."
And we can find evidence Jesus used his ability right in the gospels themselves. In John 8:59 when the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus the original text uses the verb ekrubh which means "was hid [from their sight]. Modern translators translate it active "Jesus hid himself" but this is not not accurate. "Was hid" [by changing his appearance] would be a more accurate way to convey the meaning. But the most telling clue is the rest of the passage where John says Jesus "going through the midst of them, and so passed by."

So we end up with:

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...but Jesus changed his appearance and passed through the midst of them
How does anybody pass right through a crowd of people who wants to kill him unless he changes his appearance so they can't recognize him????

The Coptic text gives some evidence of this ability again when the Pharisees ask Judas:

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"Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him [Jesus], for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..."
Whereupon Judas suggests a kiss. 6-minute video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEpWwS5QOA0

Shape-Shifting Jesus Described in Ancient Egyptian Text
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Thank you. This post was actually quite helpful to me. Peace
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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Thank you. This post was actually quite helpful to me. Peace
Glad I could help. It's rare when someone acknowledges I actually said something useful.
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Old 09-02-2016, 09:43 PM
 
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It is only because the son of man can be anyone. Jesus was demonstrating that fact.

The son of man is lord of the Sabbath.

The son of man eats and drinks in the presence of the Most High and serves the Lord in humility and reverence.

"The Lord guides the humble to righteousness and He teaches the meek His way."

I am meek and humble of heart and I will give you rest.
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Old 09-03-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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I haven't watched the video yet, been busy.
But, how fascinating.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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No.

Smh
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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No.

Smh
Yes. Luke 4:30

New International Version
But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.

New Living Translation
but he passed right through the crowd and went on his way.

English Standard Version
But passing through their midst, he went away.

Berean Study Bible
But Jesus passed through the crowd and went on His way.

Berean Literal Bible
But He, having passed through their midst, went away.

New American Standard Bible
But passing through their midst, He went His way.


No other way to explain it.
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Yes. Luke 4:30

New International Version
"But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way."

No other way to explain it.
Also my favorite verse to throw at the end timers

Amos 5

…17"And in all the vineyards there is wailing, Because I will pass through the midst of you," says the LORD. 18Alas, you who are longing for the day of the LORD, For what purpose will the day of the LORD be to you? It will be darkness and not light; 19As when a man flees from a lion And a bear meets him, Or goes home, leans his hand against the wall And a snake bites him.…

which corresponds nicely with
2 Thess

10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

uh oh
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:23 AM
 
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At first glance I thought this said Jesus may have been a shoplifter.
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Old 09-05-2016, 04:12 AM
 
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A recently deciphered 1200 year-old Coptic manuscript found in an Egyptian monastery known as the monastery of St. Michaels offers several tantalizes passages which show that Jesus used his divine powers to shapeshift in front of Pilate and that his ability to change shape may have been the reason why Judas used a kiss to identify him.

The ancient text tells of Pontius Pilate, the judge who authorized Jesus' crucifixion, having dinner with Jesus before his crucifixion and offering to sacrifice his own son in the place of Jesus.

Jesus refuses and tells Pilate:

Are there precedents for this ability in earlier church texts?

Most certainly there are. In Origen's Contra Celsum Origen writes:

And we can find evidence Jesus used his ability right in the gospels themselves. In John 8:59 when the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus the original text uses the verb ekrubh which means "was hid [from their sight]. Modern translators translate it active "Jesus hid himself" but this is not not accurate. "Was hid" [by changing his appearance] would be a more accurate way to convey the meaning. But the most telling clue is the rest of the passage where John says Jesus "going through the midst of them, and so passed by."

So we end up with:

How does anybody pass right through a crowd of people who wants to kill him unless he changes his appearance so they can't recognize him????

The Coptic text gives some evidence of this ability again when the Pharisees ask Judas:

Whereupon Judas suggests a kiss. 6-minute video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEpWwS5QOA0

Shape-Shifting Jesus Described in Ancient Egyptian Text

This is not the first time that someone has posted this....It's already been done...
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