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As has been pointed out here, "rod" did not necessarily mean hitting.
It never meant that you should, hit, beat or spank (someone) with a whip or stick, period.
That comes from your Conservative Christian Fundamentalist upbringing, not the Bible.
It never meant that you should, hit, beat or spank (someone) with a whip or stick, period.
That comes from your Conservative Christian Fundamentalist upbringing, not the Bible.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
That is your opinion.
You know little to nothing of my upbringing.
It's more than an opinion, but I do not have the desire to write a twenty-five page brief.
Your upbringing has to do with whatever it was that influenced you, not just your parents.
For what it is worth I know people who were raised without spanking. They grew into fine adults and are excellent parents now.
But I don't know if "rod" always refers to physical correction. It could just be general discipline the way that it is used in Psalm 23. (Thy rod and thy staff comfort me.) Not that I am trying to defend everything in the Old Testament. I'm not that crazy.
I looked up the usage of the word translated as 'rod' and mostly it is translated as tribe
H7626 (Strong)
שֵׁבֶט
shêbeṭ
shay'-bet
From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, that is, (literally) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) or (figuratively) a clan: - X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.
The KJV translates Strong's H7626 in the following manner: tribe (140x), rod (34x), sceptre (10x), staff (2x), miscellaneous (4x).
I think that mostly it does not mean physical punishment at all, it is more to do with ruling, correction and guidance.
And the word for staff is
H4938 (Strong)
מִשְׁעֶנֶת מִשְׁעֵנָה
mish‛ênâh mish‛eneth
mish-ay-naw', mish-eh'-neth
Feminine of H4937; support (abstractly), that is, (figuratively) sustenance or (concretely) a walking stick: - staff.
It's more than an opinion, but I do not have the desire to write a twenty-five page brief.
Your upbringing has to do with whatever it was that influenced you, not just your parents.
That's a copout. If you're going to say it, you should be able to back it up.
I know what upbringing means and you know little to nothing about mine.
It's more than an opinion, but I do not have the desire to write a twenty-five page brief.
Your upbringing has to do with whatever it was that influenced you, not just your parents.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
That's a copout. If you're going to say it, you should be able to back it up.
I know what upbringing means and you know little to nothing about mine.
Typical on how those who cry about judging others find it necessary to violate the same
It may be debated what was intended by this in the Bible. However in present day, the only people I ever hear cite it are those who believe in spanking children and they base their belief on this passage in the Bible. For example I've never heard a parent say they use "time out" because they believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child".
It never meant that you should, hit, beat or spank (someone) with a whip or stick, period.
That comes from your Conservative Christian Fundamentalist upbringing, not the Bible.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
That is your opinion.
You know little to nothing of my upbringing.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
It's more than an opinion, but I do not have the desire to write a twenty-five page brief.
Your upbringing has to do with whatever it was that influenced you, not just your parents.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
That's a copout. If you're going to say it, you should be able to back it up.
I know what upbringing means and you know little to nothing about mine.
It wouldn't change your stance as a "Conservative Christian-Fundamentalist."
It wouldn't change your stance as a "Conservative Christian-Fundamentalist."
That's because it has no Biblical basis. It's just your opinion.
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