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Old 03-10-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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Old 03-10-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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It's the conservatives (ie. Calvinists) who get to make the rules.
I am not a Calvinist but your constant denigration of the philosophy is prompting me to have second thoughts. Perhaps they are right after all?
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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I am not a Calvinist but your constant denigration of the philosophy is prompting me to have second thoughts. Perhaps they are right after all?
I encourage EVERYONE to follow Calvinism who has never done so. You will eventually end up where I am. So I am glad that my honesty is leading you there.
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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I'm not an expert on Calvinism, but they are into predestination, which gets in the way of choice and choosing salvation. That goes against basic Christianity as shown by Jesus in the Gospels.

I don't usually post websites and discussions, but here's some information to consider:
Arguments against Calvinism and Predestination

We only need the Bible for enlightenment and instruction, not different groups (and churches) run by man and man's organizations, reinterpreting what scripture says. Individuals readings scripture using their own eyes and brains is more than sufficient.

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Old 03-10-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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If your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Most of those who profess to be Christians have only entered a basic level of understanding (conversion) but are nowhere close to being (regenerated) Holy.

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But yet:

Revelation 21:2

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.


So, do you spend eternity in heaven or on earth?...
... that depends on your state of existence and whether or not, you are alive and real.
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:12 AM
 
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:24 AM
 
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... that depends on your state of existence and whether or not, you are alive and real.
At the resurrection, all will be alive and real...
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Old 03-11-2018, 04:11 AM
 
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Neither, Awareness of God proceeds all things. Matt 16: 15-16
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Old 03-11-2018, 04:13 AM
 
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It's the conservatives (ie. Calvinists) who get to make the rules.

Nay, in the end the meek shall inherit because we stay up late and change the will.
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Old 03-11-2018, 04:17 AM
 
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