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It seems like they are a source of a lot of confusion. I do believe in the NT, but some of the books are strange. I can generally tell what's true and what might have some creative writing in it. dictionary.com says the root of apostle means "one who is sent out". How do we know they didn't get cast out of the church (or whatever religion they were a part of at the time) and they created their own doctrines? Most of us know what "apostasy" means. I believe in what Jesus stood for, but the way people make him out to be God is counter to OT teachings. There is so much focus on Jesus that you forget that God is above him. We are not supposed to forget that God rules everything.
It seems like they are a source of a lot of confusion. I do believe in the NT, but some of the books are strange. I can generally tell what's true and what might have some creative writing in it. dictionary.com says the root of apostle means "one who is sent out". How do we know they didn't get cast out of the church (or whatever religion they were a part of at the time) and they created their own doctrines? Most of us know what "apostasy" means. I believe in what Jesus stood for, but the way people make him out to be God is counter to OT teachings. There is so much focus on Jesus that you forget that God is above him. We are not supposed to forget that God rules everything.
Jesus “sent out” the apostles. It’s right there in the gospels.
It seems like they are a source of a lot of confusion. I do believe in the NT, but some of the books are strange. I can generally tell what's true and what might have some creative writing in it. dictionary.com says the root of apostle means "one who is sent out". How do we know they didn't get cast out of the church (or whatever religion they were a part of at the time) and they created their own doctrines? Most of us know what "apostasy" means. I believe in what Jesus stood for, but the way people make him out to be God is counter to OT teachings. There is so much focus on Jesus that you forget that God is above him. We are not supposed to forget that God rules everything.
Nice. I like this. A non Trinitarian, critical thinker, with an ear, heart and mind to discern truth from lie.
My view is that Jesus was elevated, by doctrines of man/demons, to the Father's level to give the then current (and offer to subsequent) church hierarchy a bigger stick. Laurent Guyenot confirms such a view in his book From Yahweh to Zion, where he traces the history of a manipulative, lying priesthood with a jealous and vengeful tribal god Yahweh, duped onto the goyim / gentiles as the universal God.
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Jesus “sent out” the apostles. It’s right there in the gospels.
Apparently, according to Yeshua in Revelation 2:2, in Paul's stomping grounds, Ephesus, there were those who called themselves "apostles" and were "false".
I never said anything about something being difficult. I was merely discussing the issue someone raised about a “get out of hell free” card. There is no such thing.
Why would salvation be an issue if he already paid the penalty and punishment for your sin, what reason would you have to repent? Or, are you merely trying to claim his righteousness for that of your own, while subjecting him to your errors?
Because despite the fact that Jesus did the saving, it seems they want to claim some credit for it themselves, Jer. It is easier than actually following His instructions to love God and each other every day and repent when they don't. It seems they need the selfish salvation from Hell fear motivation even to try to love others.
again, there us no substantiated proof..the bible cannot be used to prove the bible is authoritative...
The Bible did not write itself. It was written by men chosen by God to write it. The apostles for instance, having been chosen by Jesus, had the delegated authority of Jesus. Their writings reflect that authority.
Whether you choose to believe that or not. . . and you don't, is another matter.
The Bible did not write itself. It was written by men chosen by God to write it. The apostles for instance, having been chosen by Jesus, had the delegated authority of Jesus. Their writings reflect that authority.
However, the genuine or true word of god must be separated from the chaff of fallible, human ideologies that clutter the core message of the Scriptures (i.e., the false penal substitution theory, that of eternal damnation, an underworld of pain and suffering, etc.), which were contrived from the imaginations of men and various cultural mythologies of the unknown over time. You might choose to follow these false teachings, but others do not. Men were called to be accountable, not to pass the buck!
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