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The popular website/forums of Calvinist Matt Slick. The same who used to allow the topic of universalism to be discussed, but no longer does, while allowing Satanists, anti Christian religions & all kinds of crazy cults to state their viewpoints on his site. What is Matt afraid of? Why does he prefer Satanists over Christian universalists?
"Matt does not believe man has the [free] will to chose to be saved. One is born to rot or born to glory and there is NOTHING one can do to alter their fate."
"According to Matt Slick’s version of Calvinism most of those who walk this planet were foreordained to be eternally tormented..."
"The saints, according to Calvin, will have full view of the torments of the damned. A mother will be able to see her son in eternal flames in great suffering and she will find comfort in that because she was chosen above all those damned including her son."
"...Calvinist who believes that Christ’s atonement is only for the elect, therefore Jesus only came to save some people thus consigning all others to eternal torment.
"So basically Matt is saying God could save all men but does not want to save all men."
Only 2 or 3 of the resident fundies here are acolytes of the Slippery One. His falseness has often been exposed.
Most of us are well aware that he's such a beacon of Christianity his own daughter couldn't wait til she was old enough to leave home and declare herself an atheist.
"The saints, according to Calvin, will have full view of the torments of the damned. A mother will be able to see her son in eternal flames in great suffering and she will find comfort in that because she was chosen above all those damned including her son."
Your use of quotation marks is confusing, OP. Is that a quote from Slick? Calvin? A summary of Calvinist belief?
Only 2 or 3 of the resident fundies here are acolytes of the Slippery One. His falseness has often been exposed.
Most of us are well aware that he's such a beacon of Christianity his own daughter couldn't wait til she was old enough to leave home and declare herself an atheist.
Says much there.
Thank you for the opinion re "resident fundies".
I was aware of his daughter's turn to atheism, but thanks to you for that addition as well ;
I Believe that Jesus is worthy of saving anyone on the entire earth , and if the conditions were reached everyone , which everyone is possible , but the devil is still unchallenged by most so everyone that resist the devil ..............Were Calvinist believe Jesus is not worthy to save everyone , still even universalism need to be saved to Jesus Christ ....... See Jesus was given the authority and can remove the devil out of anyone so they can be saved
.. specially of those that believe. (1 Tim.4:10 - Universalists favorite verse though it doesn't speak about universal salvation)
"who is the savior of ALL people..." 1 Tim 4:10
Looky there, in the very same verse it DOES talk about UR. I mean, I know the bible is self-contradictory but you almost managed to make it look like it contradicted itself within the very same sentence. Impressive.
Ps. "specially" does not mean "only". Here's another verse with that word:
"Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially G3122 to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?"
So, let's put "only" in that passage like you are trying to do with the 1 Tim passage...
"a brother beloved, ONLY to me, but how much more unto thee"
Gee, see how that doesn't work?
It does sort of explain how some Christians seem to think they are only supposed to do good to other Christians.
"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."
They insert the word ONLY in that verse too, it seems.
I Believe that Jesus is worthy of saving anyone on the entire earth , and if the conditions were reached everyone , which everyone is possible , but the devil is still unchallenged by most so everyone that resist the devil ..............Were Calvinist believe Jesus is not worthy to save everyone , still even universalism need to be saved to Jesus Christ ....... See Jesus was given the authority and can remove the devil out of anyone so they can be saved
"For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." 1 Tim 4:10
This passage in the hljc version of the bible:
"For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is [worthy of saving anyone on the entire earth if the condition of resisting the devil is reached, which is possible, but highly unlikely, because Jesus CAN remove the devil out of anyone, but won't for most.]"
So why would Paul then have added that last bit "specially of those that believe"? If you read that verse with universalism in the back of your mind, then Paul is striving and labouring because He set His hope on the living God that will regardless of what we do make sure all people will go to heaven because Christ is their Savior, and especially those that believe.
If you read it like that, then how does the especially make any sense? Are the believers Gods favorites that get a special place in heaven, and the non-believers get saved but it's a lesser salvation? Also it simply doesn't make any sense if you compare it to the rest of Scripture when it comes to salvation, see John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21 for instance.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The "Savior of all men" in this verse is talking about Christ that came to save all people, which is a general grace that God offers to all mankind - but it's not applied to our eternal salvation in heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ. Which is clearly defined immediately by Paul with the particular application of eternal Salvation which is only for "those that believe".
Barnes' notes on this part:
Who is the Saviour of all men - This must be understood as denoting that he is the Saviour of all people in some sense which differs from what is immediately affirmed - "especially of those that believe." There is something pertaining to "them" in regard to salvation which does not pertain to "all men." It cannot mean that he brings all people to heaven, "especially" those who believe - for this would be nonsense. And if he brings all people actually to heaven, how can it be "especially" true that he does this in regard to those who believe? Does it mean that he saves others "without" believing? But this would be contrary to the uniform doctrine of the Scriptures; see Mark 16:16. When, therefore, it is said that he "is the Saviour of 'all' people, 'especially' of those who believe," it must mean that there is a sense in which it is true that he may be called the Saviour of all people, while, at the same time, it is "actually" true that those only are saved who believe.
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