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The one division in Christendom is Universal Atonement VS Limited Atonement. It is salvation by works VS salvation by grace respectively.
There are many divisions by design
In your opinion there is only one division
The church has different views, opinions, perspectives by design and that has to do with the in part nature of Christianity which has height, depth, breadth
Many of the KJV zealots actually believe that Jesus spoke 17th century British English, and they must as well
It's really flawed as to translation in many areas. They just didn't have access to the tools and knowledge that we've had in recent decades, and the more recent translations.
But convincing anyone of this in the KJV group is like moving a stone wall.
I am of the kjv-superior position. I believe that the King James Version is superior to all other translations and that any time there is a discrepancy between versions, we ought to fall back on what it says in the kjv.
Now, I want to say that the fact that there are many translations contributes to the disunity in the body of Christ.
I will give one example of a situation where the kjv differs in doctrine from other translations.
In the kjv:
1Pe 5:10, But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1Pe 5:11, To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1Pe 5:12, By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
Here we find the teaching that it is the true grace of God that God is sanctifying the believer and that after the believer has suffered a while, he will be made perfect; even in this life.
Now, compare the niv.
1Pe 5:10, And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
The esv.
1Pe 5:10, And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
The nlt.
1Pe 5:10, In his kindness God called you to share in his eternal glory by means of Christ Jesus. So after you have suffered a little while, he will restore, support, and strengthen you, and he will place you on a firm foundation.
The nkjv, at least, preserves this truth:
1Pe 5:10, But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
The doctrine of entire sanctification is lost to some translations. Even the nkjv, which gets this verse right, will get other verses wrong by translating "perfect" as "mature" or "complete".
I would say that the doctrine of entire sanctification is important and may even be essential to salvation.
Therefore, in changing the message of scripture so that the doctrine of entire sanctification is lost to the majority, who adhere to such translations as do change this message,
The translators of such versions are doing the body of Christ a great disservice and creating disunity; perhaps even causing some who believe themselves to be Christians to be found outside of the body of Christ; while the visible body, which consists of the saved and the unsaved, may argue over this doctrine and others;
Wherein the kjv has it right;
And those other translators stand as teachers that men heap to themselves to tell them what their itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3).
The King James version is a translation of a translation. Why in the heck is this translation of a translation superior to other translations of translations is mind boggling. However like I said before believe anything you really want, it is free.
This is a very interesting topic. I would also say that because of the interpretation of one word in a bible verse, that caused religions to split, and base their theology on how, in their opinion, think God intended that verse to be interpreted.
I have said this before, if you don't speak the original Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, we are basically trusting the committee of bible scholars who translated all of the different bible translations. I think that's part of the problem that contributes to the disunity in the body of Christ.
These two Christian books come to mind.
The New World Translation
The Book of Mormon
This is a very interesting topic. I would also say that because of the interpretation of one word in a bible verse, that caused religions to split, and base their theology on how, in their opinion, think God intended that verse to be interpreted.
I have said this before, if you don't speak the original Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, we are basically trusting the committee of bible scholars who translated all of the different bible translations. I think that's part of the problem that contributes to the disunity in the body of Christ.
These two Christian books come to mind.
The New World Translation
The Book of Mormon
Yes, but where did Jesus ever say that He was establishing a bible church?
I am of the kjv-superior position. I believe that the King James Version is superior to all other translations and that any time there is a discrepancy between versions, we ought to fall back on what it says in the kjv.
Now, I want to say that the fact that there are many translations contributes to the disunity in the body of Christ.
I will give one example of a situation where the kjv differs in doctrine from other translations.
In the kjv:
1Pe 5:10, But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1Pe 5:11, To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1Pe 5:12, By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
Here we find the teaching that it is the true grace of God that God is sanctifying the believer and that after the believer has suffered a while, he will be made perfect; even in this life.
Now, compare the niv.
1Pe 5:10, And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
The esv.
1Pe 5:10, And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
The nlt.
1Pe 5:10, In his kindness God called you to share in his eternal glory by means of Christ Jesus. So after you have suffered a little while, he will restore, support, and strengthen you, and he will place you on a firm foundation.
The nkjv, at least, preserves this truth:
1Pe 5:10, But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
The doctrine of entire sanctification is lost to some translations. Even the nkjv, which gets this verse right, will get other verses wrong by translating "perfect" as "mature" or "complete".
I would say that the doctrine of entire sanctification is important and may even be essential to salvation.
Therefore, in changing the message of scripture so that the doctrine of entire sanctification is lost to the majority, who adhere to such translations as do change this message,
The translators of such versions are doing the body of Christ a great disservice and creating disunity; perhaps even causing some who believe themselves to be Christians to be found outside of the body of Christ; while the visible body, which consists of the saved and the unsaved, may argue over this doctrine and others;
Wherein the kjv has it right;
And those other translators stand as teachers that men heap to themselves to tell them what their itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3).
This is a very good OP, JBF. It raises a lot of questions.
Imho, there is bias in some translations.
I agree with you about the KJV, but I don’t believe translations are what divide us. Imho, doctrinal bias is what causes disunity among us. We all are guilty of this. We stick like Gorilla Glue to our prior teachings, and instead of checking our bias against scripture, and studying what the whole of scripture says on a topic, we try to fit scripture into our bias instead. We study the Scriptures through the lens of an opinion already formed. This is something we need to pray long and hard about. We must ask our Heavenly Father to help us see His truth, rather than our own. Ask Him for understanding. Most of all, we must ask Him to help us let go of pride, and our wanting to always be right.
I truly believe that we are ALL guilty of viewing God’s word through the eyes of our teachers, whether they be Roman Catholic, Protestant, non denominational or pre denominational. It is near impossible to let go of these prior teachings. We tend to trust our parents and teachers. None of us wants to be wrong. It makes us very uncomfortable (cognitive dissonance). But with God all things are possible, so we need to give it over to HIM. Trust Him to show us the way!
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Yes, but where did Jesus ever say that He was establishing a bible church?
Jesus didn’t say those exact words, CCC, but think about the many times He said, “It is written.” Jesus had complete trust in the word of God. Shouldn’t we also?
“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ (Matthew 4:4)
Would you agree that Jesus wants His church to live by every word that comes from the mouth of God?
Last edited by MissKate12; 09-10-2022 at 05:30 AM..
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