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I believe you can. God gives us the gift of faith and without it we can not believe. Personal belief is based on what?
If you believe we can all come to the same conclusion... can you give an example?
Personal belief (Christian belief) is submission to the Holy Spirit. Every way seems right to a man, so as we mature (spiritually) we begin to redefine our belief in line with God's. To often we confuse knowledge with belief. How we live is a product of our belief, or lack thereof.
Who has perfect "belief"? other than God? so are we to be condemned by our imperfect belief? of course not... it take submission = being FAT = faithful , available, teachable.
Pro 21:2
All of a person’s ways seem right in his own opinion, but the Lord evaluates the motives.
Pro 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a person, but its end is the way that leads to death.
Pro 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own opinion, but the one who listens to advice is wise.
If you believe we can all come to the same conclusion... can you give an example?
Personal belief (Christian belief) is submission to the Holy Spirit. Every way seems right to a man, so as we mature (spiritually) we begin to redefine our belief in line with God's. To often we confuse knowledge with belief. How we live is a product of our belief, or lack thereof.
How has perfect "belief"? other than God? so are we to be condemned by our imperfect belief? of course not... it take submission = being FAT = faithful , available, teachable.
Pro 21:2
All of a person’s ways seem right in his own opinion, but the Lord evaluates the motives.
Pro 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a person, but its end is the way that leads to death.
Pro 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own opinion, but the one who listens to advice is wise.
I am talking about the personal belief that I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Personal belief is relative to me
I am talking about the personal belief that I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Personal belief is relative to me
Non believers ( and a lot of Christian's) use "presumption" rather than faith.
Presumption functions by boundries confined by knowledge, and faith moves us past what can not truely understand beyond the confines of our intellect.
Mar 10:15
I tell you the truth, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child* will never enter it.”
Quote:
*The point of the comparison receive the kingdom of God like a child has more to do with a child’s trusting spirit and willingness to be dependent and receive from others than any inherent humility the child might possess.
I hear what your saying antredd..and im not here to debate anything, it comes down to God will use whom ever He feels He needs to to get out what He wants us to hear/know ect. God opens the doors, God leads us down those paths, if it wasnt meant to happen, then God wouldnt allow it to happen. And vice versa.
Blessings.
I appreciate you for your comments. Thanks and many blessings to you as well.
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I know this topic has come up before, but I was just wondering why do women who become Pastors or Elders of church think that they are Scripturally following the bible?
After I carefully studied this topic, my conclusion on this issue is that the Bible does not PERMIT women to function in the role of pastor or elder within the church. Also, this has been the same position of a vast majority of churches around the world and throughout history. Now, have these churches been discriminatory by denying women to be church pastors or elders? Let's look at what Scripture says about this topic.
1Timothy 2:11-14 addresses this question most directly. 1Timothy 2:11-14: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the wman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Here we see Paul speaking about the church. It seems that Paul is addressing what type of church order should be carried out; and these functions are unique to pastors or elders that Paul prohibits for women in the church.
1Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9 assume that elders are going to be men. An elder (or bishop/overseer) must be the husband of one wife ( 1Tim.3:2; also Titus 1:6), and must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way (1Tim. 3:4)
Some women who object to Paul authorizing church elders or pastors for men only are ABSOLUTELY going against the Word of God.
I do not take what was written by Paul to be "the word of God."
I do not take what was written by Paul to be "the word of God."
added note: I am a minister.
Especially since Paul commissioned Phoebe as the Deacon of the Roman Christian community after leading a similar group at Cenchrae (sp?). Given how in Timothy, there were only two defined church offices, bishop and deacon, it is safe to assume that Paul didn't have a problem with a woman leading a flock.
I do not take what was written by Paul to be "the word of God."
added note: I am a minister.
Wow, your statement just proves why Chrisitanity is really looked down upon. We can't pick and choose what we want to believe from Scripture, and think we can set up a whole doctrine around it to fit our life styles because it somehow justifies why we are doing what we are doing IN GOD'S NAME. There is a Scripture that says God will not be mocked. Do you believe that, or believe it to mean something else, since Paul wrote that verse as well. Have you heard of hermaneutics?
Proper interpretation of Scripture even if that interpretation goes against what we have been taught because of ( wrong interpetation, religion's wrong teaching, or just the Holy Spirit not enlightening us to the truth yet) doesn't make it acceptable to God. I just can't believe that you don't think what is written by Paul is to be the word of God, even though we as Christians HAVE TO ACCEPT what ever is included in the canon as God spreaking through men 40 authors, from very different backgrounds, WRITING UNDER THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I thought this thread was over, I see it isn not. Whew.....
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Fruits vs. Calling
