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I'm sorry freedom but your quote above made me chuckle. Why? Because the Bible says the devil knows Scripture too and can quote It better than we can.
Yes, if you will re-paste them for me. I made my mind up after the second post of Harold's I read I would NEVER read one of his again. NOW before you say how do I know what he STILL saying? It's by reading what others say when they reply to him. And the only reason I read what the others say back is to WARN (which I will do, over and over as long as it's necessary) to any and all.
The people falsely accused Jesus, when they said: "Thou hast a devil."
The Pharisees and chief priests wanted to take Jesus; and Nicodemus reasoned with them, by saying:
"Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?" John 7:51
For the people who are just and love truth, please quote us accurately with documentation. No court in the land would allow you to make charges against us based on hear-say evidence. Thank you.
The people falsely accused Jesus, when they said: "Thou hast a devil."
It is instructive how frequently you and Harold cast yourselves in the position of Jesus . . . isn't that one of the signs of a false Jesus? Just saying.
It is instructive how frequently you and Harold cast yourselves in the position of Jesus . . . isn't that one of the signs of a false Jesus? Just saying.
Another personal attack? Can you address the message, rather than crucify the messenger?
See the thread titled The Great Lie...post #22 "a sin unto death"
I think that it is scriptural, i didn't see anything that HK was saying that was contrary to the scripture he posted.
Here is what i think is the misunderstanding.
The Modern teaching of salvation is thought to be that anyone that is saved will sit in the throne of Christ, be in the Kingdom of God and be perfected after they die.
There is nothing scriptural with that position. There are the greatest and the least in the kingdom of heaven. Which is not the same as the Kingdom of God, or God's throne. They are different places, and different inheritances, different glory's.
The highest glory is reserved for those the live and keep the commandments of God. God will not abide in any unrighteousness, and death does not change the spirit of a person, if they are filthy they will be filthy still. If they are righteous they will be righteous still.
Paul taught of the ressurection as degree's of glory, one in the likeness of the Sun (Son) one in the likeness of the moon, one of the stars, all varying according to their heed and diligence to the word.
So when HK was speaking of one that reaches the point of faith that brings them to being Born of God, and then they fall away and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, they truly will die.
The gift of Christ is life eternal, there is a way to overcome physical death, through living and keeping the word of God. Enoch did this, Elijah, John the beloved, Moses, the entire city of Enoch, Teckla a convert of Paul. If it were not for their missions nearly all of those that laid their lives down for the gospel had the right to overcome death. They were all translated/quickened/born of God. Paul could lay his life down and take it up, there are a few recorded instances of this in his ministry.
So when HK was speaking of one that reaches the point of faith that brings them to being Born of God, and then they fall away and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, they truly will die.
godspeed,
freedom
I John 5:1... Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Harold, do you agree completely with freedom's whole post above?
I think that it is scriptural, i didn't see anything that HK was saying that was contrary to the scripture he posted.
Here is what i think is the misunderstanding.
The Modern teaching of salvation is thought to be that anyone that is saved will sit in the throne of Christ, be in the Kingdom of God and be perfected after they die.
There is nothing scriptural with that position. There are the greatest and the least in the kingdom of heaven. Which is not the same as the Kingdom of God, or God's throne. They are different places, and different inheritances, different glory's.
The highest glory is reserved for those the live and keep the commandments of God. God will not abide in any unrighteousness, and death does not change the spirit of a person, if they are filthy they will be filthy still. If they are righteous they will be righteous still.
Paul taught of the ressurection as degree's of glory, one in the likeness of the Sun (Son) one in the likeness of the moon, one of the stars, all varying according to their heed and diligence to the word.
So when HK was speaking of one that reaches the point of faith that brings them to being Born of God, and then they fall away and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, they truly will die.
The gift of Christ is life eternal, there is a way to overcome physical death, through living and keeping the word of God. Enoch did this, Elijah, John the beloved, Moses, the entire city of Enoch, Teckla a convert of Paul. If it were not for their missions nearly all of those that laid their lives down for the gospel had the right to overcome death. They were all translated/quickened/born of God. Paul could lay his life down and take it up, there are a few recorded instances of this in his ministry.
godspeed,
freedom
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The Modern teaching of salvation is thought to be that anyone that is saved will sit in the throne of Christ, be in the Kingdom of God and be perfected after they die.
freedom, may I ask you a couple of questions regarding your quote above? What exactly do you mean by: "sit in the throne of Christ." And also "be perfected after they die"?
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There is nothing scriptural with that position. There are the greatest and the least in the kingdom of heaven. Which is not the same as the Kingdom of God, or God's throne. They are different places, and different inheritances, different glory's.
I'm sorry freedom, but in my studies of the Word I find nothing to back up the above? Unless, again, I'm not understanding you?
Is this the Scripture you're using for your next quote?
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The highest glory is reserved for those the live and keep the commandments of God. God will not abide in any unrighteousness, and death does not change the spirit of a person, if they are filthy they will be filthy still. If they are righteous they will be righteous still.
Re 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
If it is than you need to read that passage in the context it was written...
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
See what that is saying? It's saying that just before Christ returns with His 'rewards' (which can be good or bad) he that is unjust/filthy can't quickly change into 'good' a minute before Christ returns. Why? It's too late then. The unjust person has to change BEFORE Christ returns or he will remain unjust and recieve his 'bad' reward at that moment i.e Christ's return. The just and unfiltly will, at the exact same moment recieve their 'good' rewards thus causing "the manifestation of the sons of God."
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So when HK was speaking of one that reaches the point of faith that brings them to being Born of God, and then they fall away and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, they truly will die.
That is a, for lack of a better way to put it, a bunch of bologna!
The is only one way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and that is to hinder the Holy Spirit. If you take the word blashphemy back to it's 'prime' it means "to hinder." Do you know what that means to hinder the Holy Spirit? That means you won't let the Holy Spirit speak through you as here:
Mr 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
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The gift of Christ is life eternal, there is a way to overcome physical death, through living and keeping the word of God. Enoch did this, Elijah, John the beloved, Moses, the entire city of Enoch, Teckla a convert of Paul. If it were not for their missions nearly all of those that laid their lives down for the gospel had the right to overcome death. They were all translated/quickened/born of God. Paul could lay his life down and take it up, there are a few recorded instances of this in his ministry.
In regards to you first remark I high-lighted. I say this. Enoch was taken by God. Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind ( a different subject for a different time), there is no record in the Bible of John's death, and Moses was buried on the Mt. by God.
The second remark high-lighted about Paul. This post is too long already to go into great detail, but Paul did not DIE when he was 'taken into the 3rd heaven ( also a different subject).
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