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Old 06-30-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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Sin served a good purpose for God
eph 2:

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

But God, who is rich in mercy..for how else would man come to know of this glorious attribute, Gods rich mercy, if he would not become a sinner, a transgressor ?

Some teach [falsely] that Gods first preference was that God would have adam not to have sinned, hence they are saying that God would rather not had showed His Mercy to sinners, yes His Rich Mercy.. How could have this rich mercy been manifested without a transgressor ? How was He to make known as paul writes His distinguishing Mercy rom 9:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

How was He to make known the Riches of His Glory[nothing more important] on the vessels of mercy ?

That is to say, His Heritage as in micah 7:

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

His heritage..what is that ?

This is the hebrew word:
nachalah which means:
possession, property, inheritance, heritage

His inheritance, property..possession..hence the word is used in these varibles here:
ps 2:
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

numbers 26:


56According to the lot shall the possession thereof be divided between many and few.

So its too a special people, a people close and dear to Gods heart that he determined to show mercy too, through their transgressions against Him..

This is said elsewhere to be mercy from everlasting to everlasting, the objects thereof ps 103:

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Now, how can it be from everlasting ? and its to them that fear him ? Were their people who feared Him from everlasting ? Yes, those chosen in their Head, the Lord Jesus christ..did he fear God ?

in describing Christ isa 11:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Those who are recipients of the new Covenant blessings in the blood of Jesus christ are made partakers of the Fear of the Lord,

Jer 32:

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Hence, proof in the puddin, the blood of the everlasting covenant heb 13:
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The blood of the everlasting covenant and the blood of the new covenant, are the same..

So, the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting, to them who are born again, regenerated..remeber paul said in titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Those who deny that sin was purposed by God, and that it would have been Gods higher preference for adam not to have sinned, overthrow or attempt to any way, Gods eternal purpose in Jesus christ..and make Gods manifesting His rich mercy a secondary purpose..a back up plan..such as these, have not been taught of God..
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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What Bible translation do you use?





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Sin served a good purpose for God
eph 2:

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

But God, who is rich in mercy..for how else would man come to know of this glorious attribute, Gods rich mercy, if he would not become a sinner, a transgressor ?

Some teach [falsely] that Gods first preference was that God would have adam not to have sinned, hence they are saying that God would rather not had showed His Mercy to sinners, yes His Rich Mercy.. How could have this rich mercy been manifested without a transgressor ? How was He to make known as paul writes His distinguishing Mercy rom 9:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

How was He to make known the Riches of His Glory[nothing more important] on the vessels of mercy ?

That is to say, His Heritage as in micah 7:

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

His heritage..what is that ?

This is the hebrew word:
nachalah which means:
possession, property, inheritance, heritage

His inheritance, property..possession..hence the word is used in these varibles here:
ps 2:
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

numbers 26:


56According to the lot shall the possession thereof be divided between many and few.

So its too a special people, a people close and dear to Gods heart that he determined to show mercy too, through their transgressions against Him..

This is said elsewhere to be mercy from everlasting to everlasting, the objects thereof ps 103:

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Now, how can it be from everlasting ? and its to them that fear him ? Were their people who feared Him from everlasting ? Yes, those chosen in their Head, the Lord Jesus christ..did he fear God ?

in describing Christ isa 11:

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Those who are recipients of the new Covenant blessings in the blood of Jesus christ are made partakers of the Fear of the Lord,

Jer 32:

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Hence, proof in the puddin, the blood of the everlasting covenant heb 13:
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The blood of the everlasting covenant and the blood of the new covenant, are the same..

So, the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting, to them who are born again, regenerated..remeber paul said in titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Those who deny that sin was purposed by God, and that it would have been Gods higher preference for adam not to have sinned, overthrow or attempt to any way, Gods eternal purpose in Jesus christ..and make Gods manifesting His rich mercy a secondary purpose..a back up plan..such as these, have not been taught of God..
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:48 AM
 
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Sin served in Gods eternal redemtive purpose for Adam and The seed in Him, because prior to His Fall, He could not worship God through Jesus Christ for His Saving merits, had he not fell and sinned, his worship of God would have been purely as His creature and upon the grounds of works, obedience to Law..

its worship through Jesus christ that always Had priority with God..

1 pet 4:

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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So what you are stating here Beloved is that we would never have known God's true love and mercy if sinned had not entered the world.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:16 AM
 
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So what you are stating here Beloved is that we would never have known God's true love and mercy if sinned had not entered the world.
its pretty self explanatory what i have said..
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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its pretty self explanatory what i have said..
Beloved I asked you a simple statement and all I get from you is an arrogant answer,is this the way all calvinistic believers are because this does not surely display the love of Christ but one of arrogance. I will grant you have a lot of knowledge,knowledge of what I don't know,but too much knowledge is plain arrogance,where is the love,step down off your high-horse and come down to Earth,because you are making a mockery about what Christianity is all about.
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Beloved I asked you a simple statement
And I gave you an answer, either you accept it or you dont..
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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This is absurdity. God detests sin; and He never intended for Adam & Eve to sin, nor did He look into their future to know that they would.

The soul that continues to commit sin will die.

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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This is absurdity. God detests sin; and He never intended for Adam & Eve to sin
Yes He did..to bring Glory to Jesus christ the blessed Saviour..
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