A witness of Christian Sin / A witness for the true Christ (believe, scripture)
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I understand your perspective and I am not here to attack any particular sin and I believe all sin is equal in Gods sight.
I agree but there is a difference between those who repent and those who dont. Jesus said to remove the beam from your own eye before you attampt to point out the speck in anothers but he never said live and let live.
He said do not judge, and do not condemn ... Yet that is what is happening. People sitting in judgment and condemnation over others for their sins.
He said do not judge, and do not condemn ... Yet that is what is happening. People sitting in judgment and condemnation over others for their sins.
You generalize sir. While man can not condemn the sinner, they can judge a sin to be the sin it in fact is. There is a seperation between the sinner and the sin. This is why you feel judged by Christians. We do not accept your assessment in UR because it is sin to Christians. It is also why you generalize above and do not speak truth on the situation.
Scripture please. No because they did not present the man.
I posted the whole event in an earlier post.. look back at the story.
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Scripture Please.
Matt. 7 1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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What principles? Scripture Please.
Sunday school songs:
Oh Be Careful, Little Eyes
I've Got Peace Like A River
Jesus Loves The Little Children
Jesus Loves Me
Oh, You Can't Get To Heaven
Amazing Grace
All these songs and the various stories are teaching children to love one another and follow God... Seems it is the adults that teach one must point out the sins of the other.
You seem to think that if you ask the lord for forgiveness then you have removed the plank from your eye... but really all you did was cover the plank for a moment while you try to get the speck out of the others eye.
You are still a sinner whether a forgiven sinner or not.
I posted the whole event in an earlier post.. look back at the story.
I am sorry I missed that.
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Matt. 7 1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
You do realize that there is more to the chapter than just this, please read on so you can get a clearer context. What version did you get this from?
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Sunday school songs:
Oh Be Careful, Little Eyes
I've Got Peace Like A River
Jesus Loves The Little Children
Jesus Loves Me
Oh, You Can't Get To Heaven
Amazing Grace
Cute yet irrelevant.
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You seem to think that if you ask the lord for forgiveness then you have removed the plank from your eye... but really all you did was cover the plank for a moment while you try to get the speck out of the others eye.
You are still a sinner whether a forgiven sinner or not.
I do not pretend to be anything else. We are all sinners but on a few admit to their sin and start the work in progress. I do not commit murder so if I point out a murders sin fine they can judge my murdering aspect. I am not a homosexual so when I point out their sin fine they can judge me for homosexuality. Do you really want to know my sins that I do not hide or cover up, I am a recovering porn addict, I have no respect for liars and lies set me of with rage, and yes I am a recovering rageaholic. If I have missed any of my sins please ask and I will happily admit to mine will you do the same?
You do realize that there is more to the chapter than just this, please read on so you can get a clearer context. What version did you get this from?
I normally post NIV because of readability. Not all of us on the forum are privy to the myriads of versions available. I like the NIV for that purpose. And truly I wonder why it matters...
Anyway, the context? Perhaps if you tell me your version of the context I will let you know where we differ as I already decided that the context was relevant which is why I posted it.
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Cute yet irrelevant.
I don't know if you ever went to Sunday School as a child but I did. I went to a non-denominational Pentacostal church. As I entered the Adult service I noticed a change from God saves all the children in the world to oops... now you are an adult and if you don't follow all these rules then you don't get the free ride children do. I understood then that there was something seriously wrong with their version of the gospel.
Matt 18:3 And [Jesus] said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
So you see that those stories and songs DO have relevance.
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I do not pretend to be anything else. We are all sinners but on a few admit to their sin and start the work in progress.
Yes I agree.
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I do not commit murder
Wait.. doesn't this sin fall under Commandment #6? Jesus said that if you THINK about doing it then you've already done it in your heart.
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so if I point out a murders sin fine they can judge my murdering aspect.
But you admit this:
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I have no respect for liars and lies set me of with rage, and yes I am a recovering rageaholic.
Doesn't that mean that you think of killing/murder when enraged? So aren't you just as guilty of breaking commandment #6?
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I am not a homosexual so when I point out their sin fine they can judge me for homosexuality.
Isn't this a sin that falls under Commandment #7? Jesus said that if you think of a women with lust then you have already committed adultery with her in your heart? Isn't adultery a sexual sin? and you admit this:
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Do you really want to know my sins that I do not hide or cover up, I am a recovering porn addict,
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If I have missed any of my sins please ask and I will happily admit to mine will you do the same?
You simply missed that a murderer will be judged under commandment #6 just as you will be judged under commandment #6 for your rage. Therefore you are just as guilty as the murderer. You also missed that a homosexual will be judged under commandment #7, just as you will be judged under commandment #7 for your porn addiction.
You missed those points. That you cannot judge those people unless you too wish to be judged in the same way.
If someone comes to you in love and is a sinner, the best thing to do in love is tell them where YOU are wrong so that they can see that you are the same as them and YOU are forgiven as they need to be.
I don't point at you for your addictions or sins or whatever. We all have them... there is never a time when we are free from committing sin under the law, unless we make ourselves slaves again to it by judging others. (Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.)
I normally post NIV because of readability. Not all of us on the forum are privy to the myriads of versions available. I like the NIV for that purpose. And truly I wonder why it matters...
Anyway, the context? Perhaps if you tell me your version of the context I will let you know where we differ as I already decided that the context was relevant which is why I posted it.
I don't know if you ever went to Sunday School as a child but I did. I went to a non-denominational Pentacostal church. As I entered the Adult service I noticed a change from God saves all the children in the world to oops... now you are an adult and if you don't follow all these rules then you don't get the free ride children do. I understood then that there was something seriously wrong with their version of the gospel.
Matt 18:3 And [Jesus] said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
So you see that those stories and songs DO have relevance.
Yes I agree.
Wait.. doesn't this sin fall under Commandment #6? Jesus said that if you THINK about doing it then you've already done it in your heart.
But you admit this: Doesn't that mean that you think of killing/murder when enraged? So aren't you just as guilty of breaking commandment #6?
Isn't this a sin that falls under Commandment #7? Jesus said that if you think of a women with lust then you have already committed adultery with her in your heart? Isn't adultery a sexual sin? and you admit this:
You simply missed that a murderer will be judged under commandment #6 just as you will be judged under commandment #6 for your rage. Therefore you are just as guilty as the murderer. You also missed that a homosexual will be judged under commandment #7, just as you will be judged under commandment #7 for your porn addiction.
You missed those points. That you cannot judge those people unless you too wish to be judged in the same way.
If someone comes to you in love and is a sinner, the best thing to do in love is tell them where YOU are wrong so that they can see that you are the same as them and YOU are forgiven as they need to be.
I don't point at you for your addictions or sins or whatever. We all have them... there is never a time when we are free from committing sin under the law, unless we make ourselves slaves again to it by judging others. (Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.)
Christians are not judged as unbelievers. This is why we believe in The Lord God Jesus Christ. Thus you can not compare the two.
However, our works in Christ will be tested. Thus my call to remove sin from Christian thought. Thus a Christian can not be an adulterer, thief, or murderer nor accept darkness(sin) which is in light (Christ). This is not to say that a Christian will not sin, but has the ability to repent of the sin and have it washed away by the blood of The Lord God Jesus Christ. A unbeliever and a flagrent sinner in the eyes of God has no excuse.
When a Christians stands before God it is not their sins that are in question, but their works in Christ. Because a Christian professes the Lord God Jesus Christ we are found perfect in His sight just as He is found perfect.
However, an unbeliever who does not confess the Lord God Jesus Christ is not found in perfection as the sinner does not have Christ. Thus they are judged by their sins and their imperfection which is nothing against the perfection of Christ.
You are missing the whole point of Christianity. But you profess UR and thus again continue to not understand what is addressed by my post. You also do not understand The Lord God Jesus Christ and thus also do not understand the post. Its right there if you truly wanted it.
Christians are not judged as unbelievers. This is why we believe in The Lord God Jesus Christ. Thus you can not compare the two.
However, our works in Christ will be tested. Thus my call to remove sin from Christian thought. Thus a Christian can not be an adulterer, thief, or murderer nor accept darkness(sin) which is in light (Christ). This is not to say that a Christian will not sin, but has the ability to repent of the sin and have it washed away by the blood of The Lord God Jesus Christ. A unbeliever and a flagrent sinner in the eyes of God has no excuse.
When a Christians stands before God it is not their sins that are in question, but their works in Christ. Because a Christian professes the Lord God Jesus Christ we are found perfect in His sight just as He is found perfect.
However, an unbeliever who does not confess the Lord God Jesus Christ is not found in perfection as the sinner does not have Christ. Thus they are judged by their sins and their imperfection which is nothing against the perfection of Christ.
You are missing the whole point of Christianity. But you profess UR and thus again continue to not understand what is addressed by my post. You also do not understand The Lord God Jesus Christ and thus also do not understand the post. Its right there if you truly wanted it.
It seems that you think that you are better then others because you say I am a christian and believe in Christ so I will not be judged because Jesus was judged in my place.
I do not see that ....... the baptism that Jesus undertook was death and just as he went through that baptism the believer has to go through that baptsim to death (this is what he told his disciples and instructed those disciples to make other disciples) ------ those that are baptised into his death by the Holy Spirit, following the convicting of the Holy Spirit, wil not be HURT of the second death. Resurrection comes after death.
Thank you, as I said I missed it but it appears I forgot.
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I normally post NIV because of readability. Not all of us on the forum are privy to the myriads of versions available. I like the NIV for that purpose. And truly I wonder why it matters...
I use 2 NIVs and just wanted to know because I am using a NASB right now.
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Anyway, the context? Perhaps if you tell me your version of the context I will let you know where we differ as I already decided that the context was relevant which is why I posted it.
Ah yes I would be glad to. As I see the context merely sharing quotes from the Bible is not judging but as a fellow sinner we all need to point out where we all fall short. If I quote the Ten Commandment to someone it does not mean I am judging them but that I am bringing to light where they and I may be falling short and if they are saved they need to repent and return to study and if not they need to come out of darkness and to the light.
[quote[I don't know if you ever went to Sunday School as a child but I did. I went to a non-denominational Pentacostal church. As I entered the Adult service I noticed a change from God saves all the children in the world to oops... now you are an adult and if you don't follow all these rules then you don't get the free ride children do. I understood then that there was something seriously wrong with their version of the gospel.[/quote]
I did but I rebeled badly when I was older.
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Matt 18:3 And [Jesus] said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
So you see that those stories and songs DO have relevance.
Yes but the relevance is in further teaching and not just the songs.
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Wait.. doesn't this sin fall under Commandment #6? Jesus said that if you THINK about doing it then you've already done it in your heart.
Like I said, work in progress.
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But you admit this: Doesn't that mean that you think of killing/murder when enraged? So aren't you just as guilty of breaking commandment #6?
No I think of shutting their mouths if I though of killing them they would be dead.
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Isn't this a sin that falls under Commandment #7? Jesus said that if you think of a women with lust then you have already committed adultery with her in your heart? Isn't adultery a sexual sin? and you admit this:
I think only of my wife and that is how I have resisted the porn and even if I backslide back into porn I still what these things with my wife and not with those in the porn. This is something by the grace of God I have been able to train my mind in, it make resistance much easier.
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You simply missed that a murderer will be judged under commandment #6 just as you will be judged under commandment #6 for your rage. Therefore you are just as guilty as the murderer. You also missed that a homosexual will be judged under commandment #7, just as you will be judged under commandment #7 for your porn addiction.
You missed those points. That you cannot judge those people unless you too wish to be judged in the same way.
If someone comes to you in love and is a sinner, the best thing to do in love is tell them where YOU are wrong so that they can see that you are the same as them and YOU are forgiven as they need to be.
I believe I have covered all of this.
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I don't point at you for your addictions or sins or whatever. We all have them... there is never a time when we are free from committing sin under the law, unless we make ourselves slaves again to it by judging others. (Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.)
Point all away, I dont mind. But if someone wants to share scripture with me that is fine as well.
Will you share your sins with me or do I have to generalize as many others do?
It seems that you think that you are better then others because you say I am a christian and believe in Christ so I will not be judged because Jesus was judged in my place.
I do not see that ....... the baptism that Jesus undertook was death and just as he went through that baptism the believer has to go through that baptsim to death (this is what he told his disciples and instructed those disciples to make other disciples) ------ those that are baptised into his death by the Holy Spirit, following the convicting of the Holy Spirit, wil not be HURT of the second death. Resurrection comes after death.
Jesus undertook no baptism other than that provided by John the Baptist as an example to those who would follow Him. His death was a sacrifice for the sins of all men thru which none may be saved without confessing Him to men.
That you speak of being not HURT by the second death indicates what you accept and why you can not accept the truth in Christianity which I have posted. I can appreciate you pointing at what you see, but respectfully as a Christian I could no more accept it then I could accept raping a woman in love. I stand by what I have said and scripture supports it.
Jesus undertook no baptism other than that provided by John the Baptist as an example to those who would follow Him. His death was a sacrifice for the sins of all men thru which none may be saved without confessing Him to men.
That you speak of being not HURT by the second death indicates what you accept and why you can not accept the truth in Christianity which I have posted. I can appreciate you pointing at what you see, but respectfully as a Christian I could no more accept it then I could accept raping a woman in love. I stand by what I have said and scripture supports it.
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Mat 20:24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
It seems you look at the physical water baptism and miss the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Rape of a woman is not love ...... it is lust
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