A witness of Christian Sin / A witness for the true Christ (belief, pray)
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Thank you, as I said I missed it but it appears I forgot.
I use 2 NIVs and just wanted to know because I am using a NASB right now.
Ah yes I would be glad to. As I see the context merely sharing quotes from the Bible is not judging but as a fellow sinner we all need to point out where we all fall short. If I quote the Ten Commandment to someone it does not mean I am judging them but that I am bringing to light where they and I may be falling short and if they are saved they need to repent and return to study and if not they need to come out of darkness and to the light.
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I did but I rebeled badly when I was older.
Yes but the relevance is in further teaching and not just the songs.
Could it be the same reason I rebelled? Because the things you were taught as a child were denied and overlooked when you became an adult?
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Like I said, work in progress.
No I think of shutting their mouths if I though of killing them they would be dead.
I think only of my wife and that is how I have resisted the porn and even if I backslide back into porn I still what these things with my wife and not with those in the porn. This is something by the grace of God I have been able to train my mind in, it make resistance much easier.
I believe I have covered all of this.
Point all away, I dont mind. But if someone wants to share scripture with me that is fine as well.
Will you share your sins with me or do I have to generalize as many others do?
But I think you miss the point. All my sins fall under the same 10 commandments. I don't judge my own sins under the law but under grace as I am a slave to grace not the law. BUT I don't judge others under the law even though they are slaves to the law because I don't wish to be judged that way (do unto others...). Furthermore, I treat everyone as if they are under grace (Universal Reconciliation..) and by my example they will come to me if God opens them up to do so... otherwise my hands are tied. Man judges outward appearances while God judges the heart. I think I will let God do all the work and I will set the example of what God judges as a redeemed sinner. Which is what I am.
But I think you miss the point. All my sins fall under the same 10 commandments. I don't judge my own sins under the law but under grace as I am a slave to grace not the law. BUT I don't judge others under the law even though they are slaves to the law because I don't wish to be judged that way (do unto others...). Furthermore, I treat everyone as if they are under grace (Universal Reconciliation..) and by my example they will come to me if God opens them up to do so... otherwise my hands are tied. Man judges outward appearances while God judges the heart. I think I will let God do all the work and I will set the example of what God judges as a redeemed sinner. Which is what I am.
Could it be the same reason I rebelled? Because the things you were taught as a child were denied and overlooked when you became an adult?
Possibly
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But I think you miss the point. All my sins fall under the same 10 commandments. I don't judge my own sins under the law but under grace as I am a slave to grace not the law. BUT I don't judge others under the law even though they are slaves to the law because I don't wish to be judged that way (do unto others...). Furthermore, I treat everyone as if they are under grace (Universal Reconciliation..) and by my example they will come to me if God opens them up to do so... otherwise my hands are tied. Man judges outward appearances while God judges the heart. I think I will let God do all the work and I will set the example of what God judges as a redeemed sinner. Which is what I am.
I understand your point but what of "Go into all the world and make disciples"?
Now is sharing Gods Word judging or merely sharing? I believe there is a differance. Can you share without judging?
I understand your point but what of "Go into all the world and make disciples"?
Now is sharing Gods Word judging or merely sharing? I believe there is a differance. Can you share without judging?
I share every moment without judging. That is what I do by being a slave to grace. If I don't give the sinner grace how will the sinner believe God (who I represent) will give grace? If you forgive others HE will forgive them.
Matt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
See also: 1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chr. 6:30 "(for you [God] alone know the hearts of men)"
Could it be the same reason I rebelled? Because the things you were taught as a child were denied and overlooked when you became an adult?
But I think you miss the point. All my sins fall under the same 10 commandments. I don't judge my own sins under the law but under grace as I am a slave to grace not the law. BUT I don't judge others under the law even though they are slaves to the law because I don't wish to be judged that way (do unto others...). Furthermore, I treat everyone as if they are under grace (Universal Reconciliation..) and by my example they will come to me if God opens them up to do so... otherwise my hands are tied. Man judges outward appearances while God judges the heart. I think I will let God do all the work and I will set the example of what God judges as a redeemed sinner. Which is what I am.
Kat...there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are a child of God - a wonderful example by your fruit. God's Love is in you! You are a Christian! Amen
I share every moment without judging. That is what I do by being a slave to grace. If I don't give the sinner grace how will the sinner believe God (who I represent) will give grace? If you forgive others HE will forgive them.
Matt 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
See also: 1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chr. 6:30 "(for you [God] alone know the hearts of men)"
I understand your point but what of "Go into all the world and make disciples"?
Now is sharing Gods Word judging or merely sharing? I believe there is a differance. Can you share without judging?
Robin,
I believe making disciples is sharing who God is, who Jesus is and allowing the Holy Spirit to convict the person.
It seems to me that the focus can be on how we can try to physically keep the law, to become a christian on the outside, even if there is no conviction from our heart --- too often it seems that the thrust of christianity is save yourself from eternal torment by accepting Jesus as your substitute and then even though in your heart you feel anger, hate, jealousy, pride etc as long as you don't act on them, or if there is overt signs of those things, that we then admit it and 'repent' that they are saved and born again and get eternal life in heaven.
I believe making disciples is sharing who God is, who Jesus is and allowing the Holy Spirit to convict the person.
It seems to me that the focus can be on how we can try to physically keep the law, to become a christian on the outside, even if there is no conviction from our heart --- too often it seems that the thrust of christianity is save yourself from eternal torment by accepting Jesus as your substitute and then even though in your heart you feel anger, hate, jealousy, pride etc as long as you don't act on them, or if there is overt signs of those things, that we then admit it and 'repent' that they are saved and born again and get eternal life in heaven.
AgreedWhen we ourselves are saved by belief in Christ we should always share that gift. But what of those who claim the gift but show conflicting fruit?
You mean as pertains to the question you asked about point out the sin of another?
Well that depends on what you think the pharisees accomplished when they pointed out the woman's sin... Were the pharisees judging or sharing?
I don't think they even saw this woman as a fellow human because they were going to stone her... I mean they certainly did nothing to increase her relationship with God... right??
You generalize sir. While man can not condemn the sinner, they can judge a sin to be the sin it in fact is. There is a seperation between the sinner and the sin. This is why you feel judged by Christians. We do not accept your assessment in UR because it is sin to Christians. It is also why you generalize above and do not speak truth on the situation.
I am a Christian ... If you are not judging others by claiming they will burn in hell for all eternity after they die because of their sin, then what does it mean to judge others?
If believing that Christ is 100% victorious over sin and death throughout all creation is a sin, then i am certainly guilty. But this thread has nothing to do with my faith in Christs complete victory. It has to do with bigotry and hypocrisy(IMHO).
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