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Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow
Was your answer that people who believe the Bible should be taken literally, believe the part about fire is symbolism?
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Do you believe the Flood was symbolic or an actual event?
You need Jesus to help you understand His words. The lake of fire is not symbolic and hell is not imaginary. I see it plainly, but if you are going to hold to universalism, you will not.
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It says here that you are chastised if you are sons, and if you are not chastised then you are not sons. Fathers discipline their children, not someone else's. But it does clarify that we are all partakers of chastisement, which means we are all sons. So that's not hard to comprehend.
Chastised - Sons
Not chastised - Not Sons
All Chastised - All sons
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The problem here is that you want this to be applicable to all sinners and yet by taking it out of context, you continue to ignore what it is that the New Testament testifies of who is His and who is not. By disregarding the first two verses of Hebrews 12, you want that quoted passage to be representing all sinners when the chapter is referring to believers only as in laying aside every weight and sin that so easily beset us by looking to the author and finisher of our faith. Your errant belief is purposefully ignoring that there will be some that are bastards: for if there were no bastards, then there would be no necessity for comparison.
The seal of adoption is what allows us to call God, Father.
Romans 8:
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Anyone not having the Spirit of Christ, is none of His.
Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
It is in the land of the living is when the offer of salvation that can be called an offer of salvation is to be received.
Acts 4:12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Once you are dead, it is no longer an offer of salvation under heaven, now is it?
Romans 1:32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Hebrews 9:
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Nonbelievers are not looking to Christ for the hope of salvation.
Mark 1:
14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
To be a part of that kingdom, you need the seal of adoption Whom the Lord Jesus Christ gives by promise to all those that believe the gospel.
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