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I still think there is a disconnect with what is "diverse." Cleveland for example has large numbers of Jewish, Polish, Ukrainian, Croatian, Italian, Hungarian, Slovenian, Slovak, Czech, Serbian, Romanian...however, they all show up on the census as "white."
Pittsburgh is very similar is this regard.
I'm not saying the other metros don't have these old ethnic populations (especially since Indy and Columbus's population continues to increase), but this is what helps give Cleveland it's unique feel...and the census numbers above does not reflect any of this.
For example:
1) Jewish people populations by metro:
Cleveland: 81500
Pittsburgh: 42000
Columbus: 22000
Indianapolis: 10000
2) Pittsburgh and Cleveland have the highest Croatian populations in the country--behind only Chicago and NYC--as another example of "diversity" not being fully defined.
3) Pittsburgh and Cleveland have the highest Hungarian populations in the county outside of NYC.
4) Cleveland metro has 40% of the country's Slovenian Americans.
5) For Italians, Pittsburgh is 8th and Cleveland is 10th in the country.
What does the census say? Caucasian.
Here's my question: Out of all of those nationalities, are we talking simply about where people's ancestry comes from or is that culture actually showing up as part of a city's culture? Americans in general are mutts, their ancestry coming from all over the world. That doesn't mean a white person with Croatian ancestry is going to be in any way anything other than a typical American who just happens to have a Croatian background.
I still think there is a disconnect with what is "diverse." Cleveland for example has large numbers of Jewish, Polish, Ukrainian, Croatian, Italian, Hungarian, Slovenian, Slovak, Czech, Serbian, Romanian...however, they all show up on the census as "white."
Pittsburgh is very similar is this regard.
I'm not saying the other metros don't have these old ethnic populations (especially since Indy and Columbus's population continues to increase), but this is what helps give Cleveland it's unique feel...and the census numbers above does not reflect any of this.
For example:
1) Jewish people populations by metro:
Cleveland: 81500
Pittsburgh: 42000
Columbus: 22000
Indianapolis: 10000
2) Pittsburgh and Cleveland have the highest Croatian populations in the country--behind only Chicago and NYC--as another example of "diversity" not being fully defined.
3) Pittsburgh and Cleveland have the highest Hungarian populations in the county outside of NYC.
4) Cleveland metro has 40% of the country's Slovenian Americans.
5) Pittsburgh and Cleveland have the highest Slovak population in the country.
6) For Italians, Pittsburgh is 8th and Cleveland is 10th in the country.
What does the census say? Caucasian.
I never realized Cleveland had such a large Jewish population. That seems somehwat unusual for the Midwest and a mid sized metro area. But while we may not speak any of the languages of the ancestries noted above, you will still find some ethnic stores, churches, and the foods of the Polish, Italians, Hungarians, Solvaks, etc are common in both cities in a way that you will not find in many other parts of the country.
Here's my question: Out of all of those nationalities, are we talking simply about where people's ancestry comes from or is that culture actually showing up as part of a city's culture? Americans in general are mutts, their ancestry coming from all over the world. That doesn't mean a white person with Croatian ancestry is going to be in any way anything other than a typical American who just happens to have a Croatian background.
I think you need to come up to Cleveland more and explore before writing it off...
Where did I write it off? It was a legitimate question, as there is a difference between having a certain ancestry and having that ancestry be a big enough factor to influence culture.
That said, what is the future for these cultural amenities considering Cleveland's overall white population continues to fall? I assume that the ethnic populations are part of the decline, but maybe not. Do you have any information on this?
The statistics do say Columbus and Indianapolis are just about as "diverse" as Cleveland - Pittsburgh not so much. Cleveland's CSA is 25.0% minority, the Indianapolis CSA is 23.1% minority, Columbus CSA is 22.3% and Pittsburgh's CSA is 12.7% minority. I don't see much spread between those top 3. I think by 2020, the Indy and Columbus regions will be more diverse than Cleveland due to the high Asian and Hispanic growth in those cities.
Diversity to me is more than hispanics, blacks and asians...what about polish, irish, lithuanian, ukranians, romanians, italians etc. Where is Indy's Little Italy?
Or Columbus's Chinatown?
Where did I write it off? It was a legitimate question, as there is a difference between having a certain ancestry and having that ancestry be a big enough factor to influence culture.
That said, what is the future for these cultural amenities considering Cleveland's overall white population continues to fall? I assume that the ethnic populations are part of the decline, but maybe not. Do you have any information on this?
Most have moved to suburban areas; Italians in Mayfield, Lake County; Irish west side city/west suburbs. Watch "Kill the Irishman" and you will plainly see that this movie could only take place in Cleveland...and not Indy or Cbus.
Here's my question: Out of all of those nationalities, are we talking simply about where people's ancestry comes from or is that culture actually showing up as part of a city's culture? Americans in general are mutts, their ancestry coming from all over the world. That doesn't mean a white person with Croatian ancestry is going to be in any way anything other than a typical American who just happens to have a Croatian background.
The mutts are in places like Cbus and Indy; not in Cleveland. Sounds like you were born and raised in central Ohio...so you don't get the ''ethnic thing'' which separates places like Cleveland from Cbus/Indy in that regard.
I never realized Cleveland had such a large Jewish population. That seems somehwat unusual for the Midwest and a mid sized metro area. But while we may not speak any of the languages of the ancestries noted above, you will still find some ethnic stores, churches, and the foods of the Polish, Italians, Hungarians, Solvaks, etc are common in both cities in a way that you will not find in many other parts of the country.
Cleveland has a large eastern European immigration history hence the large number of Jews...I've stated this before, Cleveland is more eastern-centric in its history than midwest. The big three groups (Irish/Italians/Jews) are present in Cleveland much like cities in the east/east coast.
There are already 200,000+ and the AA population is up about 25% since 2000. Hispanics are up 153%. Asians are up over 60%. There doesn't seem to be an issue.
You just don't get it...which is fine.
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