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Furthermore, Miami doesnt really look more diverse than the Bay Area on these maps from the NY Times.
Lack of Black people? Look at how little Blue there is in SF Bay compared to SoFla.
Blacks: America's original minority marginalized in SF Bay, unlike in Miami where Caribbean nationalities like Trinidadians, Jamaicans, and Haitians are contributing to a growing pan-Black culture, and really only rivaled by NYC.
If it makes you feel better: fine, SF Bay is LA North. Plenty of illegal Mexicans around, but that doesn't make it more diverse than Miami. 74% of Latinos in the Bay Area are MEXICAN while the largest group of Latins in Miami are Cubans and they are only barely over 40% of the Latino population.
Miami really is a Latin American city on US soil. Hard to compare to that.
No. 479,000 latinos live in Santa Clara County but 1.3 MILLION Hispanics live elsewhere in the Bay Area.
That is the proper perspective from which to explain why its factually incorrect to say that San Jose has the 'bulk' of Hispanics in the Bay Area.
it doesn't matter if they live on mars, they don't live in san francisco (well 120,000 do) which was my point all along. The bay area= san francisco for most people.
And bulk may not have been a good word as i admitted and you kinda read around but san jose has the highest concentration of latinos in the bay, i believe even more than east bay
Lack of Black people? Look at how little Blue there is in SF Bay compared to SoFla.
Blacks in the Bay Area are wayyyyy more represented than Asians in South Florida.
I so NO sizable Asian concentration on that Miami map.
True diversity requires a presence of all groups, not just Blacks and Hispanics.
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Blacks: America's original minority marginalized in SF Bay, unlike in Miami where Caribbean nationalities like Trinidadians, Jamaicans, and Haitians are contributing to a growing pan-Black culture, and really only rivaled by NYC.
Hahaha...You dont want to talk about marginalization, because despite Miami has twice as many Blacks as the Bay Area, the Bay Area still has more upper income Black households.
Black Households Earning $200,000+ Annually, 2010 San Jose-San Francisco-Miami 6,167 3.3% of all Black Households
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach 3,091 0.8% of all Black Households
Black Households Earning $100,000+ Annually, 2010
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 33,663 18.0% of all Black Households
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach 29,578 8.5% of all Black Households
Black Males Earning $100,000+ Annually, 2010
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 9,678
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach 6,522
Oakland has several neighborhoods dominated by upwardly mobile African Americans. Here is one example: Chabot Park Average Household Income: $123,738
Marginalize that.
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Miami really is a Latin American city on US soil.
But that doesnt equate to being more diverse or cosmopolitan than the Bay Area. Not in the least.
it doesn't matter if they live on mars, they don't live in san francisco (well 120,000 do) which was my point all along. The bay area= san francisco for most people.
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And bulk may not have been a good word as i admitted and you kinda read around but san jose has the highest concentration of latinos in the bay, i believe even more than east bay
The East Bay has the most, 559,000. I was surprised at the higher Hispanic percentage of San Mateo County but was reminded by other forumers that there are many Hispanics from San Mateo down through Redwood City and East Palo Alto.
Blacks in the Bay Area are wayyyyy more represented than Asians in South Florida.
I so NO sizable Asian concentration on that Miami map.
Umm, if you knew the HISTORY of Latin America, you'd know that there are plenty of Asian groups from the Caribbean and Latin America that are counted as "Hispanic" or "Black" on the census based on their nationality, but are of Chinese or Indian Ancestry.
Both groups exist in LARGE numbers throughout SoFla and in truly diverse Latin communities on the Eastern Seaboard.
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True diversity requires a presence of all groups, not just Blacks and Hispanics.
But the Bay Area doesn't even really have a presence of all groups either. The vast majority of Asians in the Bay come from 4 countries (China, Philippines, India, Vietnam) and nearly 3/4 of the Latinos come from MEXICO. How is that any more diverse than the gamut of Latinos and Caribbean people from EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE represented in measurable numbers and make an impact on the local culture?
Compare that to many of the nationalities you state the Bay Area has but are pretty much invisible. 10,000 Afghans? How much do they matter in the Bay? How about the 13,000 Ethiopians? Where's their clout and their cultural impact on the Bay?
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Hahaha...You dont want to talk about marginalization, because despite Miami has twice as many Blacks as the Bay Area, the Bay Area still has more upper income Black households.
Again, being elitist. You aren't Black, so you don't understand our struggle.
If the Bay was so great for Blacks, why did the Black population drop in the Bay Area these past 10 years? Like LA, we are being ethnically cleansed from our neighborhoods there.
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But that doesnt equate to being more diverse or cosmopolitan than the Bay Area. Not in the least.
Except SoFla and Miami are WAY more dominated by the foreign born than SF Bay is.
The East Bay has the most, 559,000. I was surprised at the higher Hispanic percentage of San Mateo County but was reminded by other forumers that there are many Hispanics from San Mateo down through Redwood City and East Palo Alto.
There are lots of Hispanics in the cities between San Mateo and SF too (just as many as south of San Mateo, if not more), not sure why you left them out.
Here's every single city/town from San Mateo to SF, by Hispanic percentage:
Colma - 39.5%
South SF - 34.0%
San Bruno - 29.2%
San Mateo - 26.6%
Daly city - 23.7%
Broadmoor - 23.5%
Pacifica - 16.8%
Brisbane - 16.6%
San Francisco - 15.1%
Burlingame - 13.8%
Millbrae - 11.9%
Belmont - 11.5%
San Carlos - 10.1%
Hillsborough - 3.4%
As you can see, over half of them are above the national average for Hispanic population, 6 of them are above the Bay Area's Hispanic percentage, one of them is above the CA Hispanic percentage (Colma), and only one of them has a tiny Hispanic population (Hillsborough).
So that's over 200,000 hispanic/latino people living in the area from San Mateo to SF, vs. another 80,000-100,000 or so in the rest of San Mateo county south of the city of San Mateo.
Umm, if you knew the HISTORY of Latin America, you'd know that there are plenty of Asian groups from the Caribbean and Latin America that are counted as "Hispanic" or "Black" on the census based on their nationality, but are of Chinese or Indian Ancestry.
Both groups exist in LARGE numbers throughout SoFla and in truly diverse Latin communities on the Eastern Seaboard.
WRONG.
THE 2010 CENSUS REPORTS just2,894HISPANICS THAT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS ASIAN in the Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA.
The Bay Area has 16,463 such persons.
Next.
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But the Bay Area doesn't even really have a presence of all groups either. The vast majority of Asians in the Bay come from 4 countries (China, Philippines, India, Vietnam) and nearly 3/4 of the Latinos come from MEXICO. How is that any more diverse than the gamut of Latinos and Caribbean people from EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE represented in measurable numbers and make an impact on the local culture?
Blah Blah Blah.
Miami needs Asians much more than the Bay Area needs Blacks-that's the moral of the story.
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Compare that to many of the nationalities you state the Bay Area has but are pretty much invisible. 10,000 Afghans? How much do they matter in the Bay? How about the 13,000 Ethiopians? Where's their clout and their cultural impact on the Bay?
FAAARRRRR more than 2,894 Hispanic Asians in Miami.
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Again, being elitist. You aren't Black, so you don't understand our struggle.
It appears that our Blacks arent as marginalized as those where you live.
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If the Bay was so great for Blacks, why did the Black population drop in the Bay Area these past 10 years?
They moved to outlying areas because they wanted bigger, newer, more affordable homes.
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Black population, 100-mile radius around SF Bay
Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race 2000 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 573,036 Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City 147,978 Stockton 42,459 Salinas 17,895 Modesto 14,187 Merced 9,418 Total Black Alone or Black combined with another Race: 804,973
Black Alone & Combined with another Race 2010 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 572,204 Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba Ciy 163,296 Stockton 61,726 Modesto 19,606 Salinas 16,554 Merced 12,189 Total Black Alone or Black combined with another Race: 845,575
Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race Population Change 2000-2010 Stockton +45.2% Modesto +35.7% Merced +29.4% Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City +10.8% San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland -0.1% Salinas -11.7% Total Black Alone or Black Combined with another Race Population Change: +5.0%
There are 845,000 Blacks living within 100 miles of SF, and that is a 5% increase over the past 10 years.
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Except SoFla and Miami are WAY more dominated by the foreign born than SF Bay is.
Not really. The Miami MSA and the SJ MSA are both 37% foreign born and SF is 30% foreign born.
There are lots of Hispanics in the cities between San Mateo and SF too (just as many as south of San Mateo, if not more), not sure why you left them out.
Here's every single city/town from San Mateo to SF, by Hispanic percentage:
Colma - 39.5%
South SF - 34.0%
San Bruno - 29.2%
San Mateo - 26.6%
Daly city - 23.7%
Broadmoor - 23.5%
Pacifica - 16.8%
Brisbane - 16.6%
San Francisco - 15.1%
Burlingame - 13.8%
Millbrae - 11.9%
Belmont - 11.5%
San Carlos - 10.1%
Hillsborough - 3.4%
As you can see, over half of them are above the national average for Hispanic population, 6 of them are above the Bay Area's Hispanic percentage, one of them is above the CA Hispanic percentage (Colma), and only one of them has a tiny Hispanic population (Hillsborough).
So that's over 200,000 hispanic/latino people living in the area from San Mateo to SF, vs. another 80,000-100,000 or so in the rest of San Mateo county south of the city of San Mateo.
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Excellent observation. This further debunks the myth that the Bay Area is only populated by Asians and Whites.
THE 2010 CENSUS REPORTS just2,894HISPANICS THAT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS ASIAN in the Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA.
The Bay Area has 16,463 such persons.
You do realize most Asian Hispanics directly from Latin America don't identify themselves as much, and usually just box check their nationality, which will just lead them to be counted as Hispanic and not Asian Hispanic.
However, from the self identified Asians in SoFla, 20% of foreign born Asians in Miami were BORN in Latin America. Go verify that if you don't believe me.
While a whopping 97.5% of foreign born Asians in the Bay Area were born in Asia.
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Miami needs Asians much more than the Bay Area needs Blacks-that's the moral of the story.
Need? I'm pretty sure Miami doesn't need anything. Tropical beaches, hot women, and cosmopolitan atmosphere with very vibrant culture. What else could you ask for in life?
Unlike the very subdued Mexican and Asian cultures that are out and about in California, the Black and Hispanic communities on the East Coast know how to party!
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They moved to outlying areas because they wanted bigger, newer, more affordable homes.
There are 845,000 Blacks living within 100 miles of SF, and that is a 5% increase over the past 10 years.
LOL you were snarky when I talked about the struggle, yet you see no problem of Black neighborhoods disappearing because the struggling people had to leave the region in order to find housing.
While the Black population of Miami has been booming from BOTH domestic and international migration, and not needing to add new areas just to post some sort of growth.
And nice intellectual honesty posting "Blacks alone and in combination" to show some growth. Do Blacks alone and you'll see a MUCH steeper decrease in the Black population of the Bay than what you've posted.
Foreign Born Blacks:
South Florida: 394,516 (33.3% of SoFla's Blacks are FOREIGN BORN)
Bay Area: 37,653 (6.9% of Bay Area Blacks are foreign born)
Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Not really. The Miami MSA and the SJ MSA are both 37% foreign born and SF is 30% foreign born.
Anything else?
LOL the City of Miami is nearly HALF foreign born with many of the suburbs being dominated by foreign born people.
And again, the origins of the foreign born by country are MUCH MORE diverse than what you see in the Bay Area.
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but san jose has the highest concentration of latinos in the bay, i believe even more than east bay
