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View Poll Results: Where would you live?
Old Toronto 10 20.41%
San Francisco 14 28.57%
North Chicago 25 51.02%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-07-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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SF has the worst transportation, but also has the best flow (By a hair) between downtown and neighborhoods, and as far as I know, more residential near the CBD, so if one has time it is more enjoyable to walk and is less prone to problems via the elements. So those are it's saving graces... but it ends there.
There is only one subway line though which is actually just commuter rail primarily serving the suburbs (BART) with only 8 stops in the city. only 6 of those are places you'd want to go and all linear unless you want to count Glen Park or Balboa Park. Otherwise you are stuck to taking Muni, which is the slowest transit in North America.

Not even close to a true subway system like Chicago or Toronto has. Should not even be mentioned. Chicago has about twice this many just in the 2-3 square mile Loop. I just did a count and found 55 subway stops in the "north side" area, 40 if you pretend that the loop is not there.. Not including the Metra stops which would add another 8-10 stops, or the much larger bus and taxi fleet...

"With an average vehicle speed of 8.1 mph, it is far and away the slowest major urban transit system in the nation."
The Muni Death Spiral - Page 1 - News - San Francisco - SF Weekly

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Old 08-07-2012, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Well it depends on what one considers the "North Side" vs. "Northwest Side". I used the following:

Rogers Park
West Ridge
Lincoln Square
Edgewater
Uptown
North Center
Lakeview
Lincoln Park
Near North Side
Albany Park
Irving Park
Avondale
Logan Square
West Town

Anything further west than Avondale/Logan Square/West Town is the west side in my opinion.
That's reasonable. You have to include North Park in there, too, though. I personally wouldn't include Avondale, Logan Square, or West Town, and probably not Irving Park, but I can see the argument for doing so.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Well it depends on what one considers the "North Side" vs. "Northwest Side". I used the following:

Rogers Park
West Ridge
Lincoln Square
Edgewater
Uptown
North Center
Lakeview
Lincoln Park
Near North Side
Albany Park
Irving Park
Avondale
Logan Square
West Town

Anything further west than Avondale/Logan Square/West Town is the west side in my opinion.
So that area of the north side is around 850,000 people in 38 square miles, or around 22,400 psm.

Throw in the downtown area along the lakefront just to the south and you get about 900,000 people in 41 square miles. - or about the same density.
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