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View Poll Results: What city is most like Los Angeles?
Austin 12 3.88%
Denver 18 5.83%
Raleigh 5 1.62%
Atlanta 69 22.33%
Washington DC 6 1.94%
Charlotte 5 1.62%
El Paso 17 5.50%
San Antonio 19 6.15%
Colorado Springs 7 2.27%
Miami 151 48.87%
Voters: 309. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-07-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Those unpopulated areas are geographical realities though. Density is population over square miles. If there are square miles in between it's no longer dense. There's no difference to me between a sparsley developed large hill in LA with big houses and a ghetto area of chicago with empty buildings. They both take up physical space and bring down density. Unless the areas are cohesive density stats don't matter anymore.
Okay, but at 225 contigous sq miles (CHI's city limits), or 300 sq miles (NYC's city limits), Los Angeles would still trail only New York in density among major U.S. cities.

What I like about census tracts is that it eliminates the "Boston is denser than Chicago" style arguments that are so prevalent on these boards. Boston is NOT denser than Chicago overall, it only appears that way because its city limits are 48 sq miles, less than a 1/4 of Chicago's. The larger the land area, the harder it is to maintain a high ppsm (more suburbs incorporated).
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Are they really narrower? The ones I see in LA especially for buildings with rear parking are incredibly tight, not sure it is possible to make them more narrow and still be functional.

sunset san francisco - Google Maps
hollywood, ca - Google Maps
When compared to the Sunset District probably not, when compared to the older, denser parts of SF definitely.

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Also when building go right up to the sidewalk like that, it feels and looks more urban.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: NYC/LA
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None. Leave it at that.

Don't know why people become so obsessed with being like another when they haven't even reached their own potential yet (Miami, Houston, Phoenix).

Also like someone else mentioned, San Diego is very much different than Los Angeles. Culturally, it feels more like a mix of midwest and California, with a subtle international flair to it.

Don't know why in hell Washington DC is on the poll.
^ This. Just stop, folks.

No city is like, or even "most like" Los Angeles. And not one city is like another city. Every city is unique.

LA is unique because of its urban and cosmopolitan nature surrounded by very diverse geographic features, all within city and county limits.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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When compared to the Sunset District probably not, when compared to the older, denser parts of SF definitely.

Google Maps

Also when building go right up to the sidewalk like that, it feels and looks more urban.
I looked at that Google Map. Still looks about the same width to me.
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hollywood, ca - Google Maps
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I looked at that Google Map. Still looks about the same width to me.
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hollywood, ca - Google Maps
It's not just about street width either, look at the buildings and set back, or in Sf lack there of.

One block over:
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I honestly don't see how anyone could argue there isn't a significant difference in urban form between those shots of SF and LA.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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It's not just about street width either, look at the buildings and set back, or in Sf lack there of.

One block over:
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I was talking about the curb cut, not the street width. Yes San Francisco has more narrow streets but generally Central LA's residential streets are not that wide either.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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I was talking about the curb cut, not the street width. Yes San Francisco has more narrow streets but generally Central LA's residential streets are not that wide either.
Ok, that's just ONE part of urban form though. What about the rest collectively? Building set backs? Height?

Does that shot of LA really strike you as "urban" as SF?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Ok, that's just ONE part of urban form though. What about the rest collectively? Building set backs? Height?

Does that shot of LA really strike you as "urban" as SF?
As the Sunset District? It strikes me as significantly more urban. As that downtown-adjacent shot in Chinatown? No.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Ok, that's just ONE part of urban form though. What about the rest collectively? Building set backs? Height?

Does that shot of LA really strike you as "urban" as SF?
My thing is yes LA is urban it's one the most urban cities in the country, But it's a different type of urban. I was thrown a little off by LA has the old school urbanity like SF comment. They represent two different ages. LA roads are wider and some buildings are set back but for miles LA is dominated by multi family units it's more modern and post modern.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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My thing is yes LA is urban it's one the most urban cities in the country, But it's a different type of urban. I was thrown a little off by LA has the old school urbanity like SF comment. They represent two different ages. LA roads are wider and some buildings are set back but for miles LA is dominated by multi family units it's more modern and post modern.
I was mostly speaking about the inner districts (i.e. downtown and some of the buildings in Westlake and Koreatown) of Los Angeles. Which is why I didn't say San Francisco was the most like LA.

What I said was to me, SF + SD + MIA is what I would think of when describing the elements of what makes LA, LA.
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