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Florida for sure is more defined by transplants than California. I feel that Cali has more of a local home-grown culture where the transplants assimilate to, while Florida is more where the transplants bring their culture from whereever they came from.
Nevada's two most concentrated industries are leisure/hospitality and construction. Florida's two most concentrated industries are leisure/hospitality and construction. Furthermore, as of April 2014, California has 99.8% of the jobs it had at peak employment, versus only 96.6% for Florida and 94.5% for Nevada. I'm not talking about population or demographics here; I'm talking about economic substance, which is pretty fluffy in both states, especially compared to California. On that note, leave Pittsburgh and Athens out of this; they're not part of the comparison, and it's honestly never occurred to me to feel ashamed of having lived in either city, so I really don't need to put anyplace else down for an ego boost. You apparently do, though, considering you brought them up in the first place.
Florida has an almost 800 billion dollar economy, and yes due to it being the state that receives the largest amount of transplants/tourists/part-time residents tourism and construction are a larger percentage of gdp, but it also has large aerospace/ financial/ international trade/ agriculture sectors as well as a growing simulation/tech/biotech sectors and 18 F500 companies. Either way your comparison was flat wrong. Florida's recovered quicker than many other states so that stat is irrelevant. Florida's economy does need to attract a larger amount of high paying jobs relative to its population size and huge pop. growth but it will always probably be tilted towards construction/tourism related jobs but that's what occurs when 30% of all foreign home purchases and by far the largest amount of tourists/part time residents come to one state... Those jobs will always be more plentiful than other states. Oh, and trust me despite CD and ofcourse Florida's moments of controversy and stupidity, I'm fine with being a native Floridian and criticize its faults. I just at times have to call out the really ridiculous/ wrong comments, such as the one you made which was bs.
Typical Florida people--not too swift and have difficulty comprehending concepts that aren't very difficult to grasp at all.
Gnutella was insinuating that Nevada--a highly transient state with an economy largely dependent on tourism and construction--is very much like Florida, and it is. If you *move Disneyland from California to Nevada*--since Nevada has no theme parks--and *add water*--meaning give it some beaches (again, figurative)--you'll have Florida. Jeez, it doesn't rocket scientist to figure out what he was saying, OMG.
However, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that three posters from Florida had difficulty trying to figure that out, as I found comprehension ability along with general common sense to be severely lacking among people in Florida, primarily due to the little to no education of most residents. FWIW, I've never known so many high school dropouts in any of the states in which I've lived as I did while living in Florida, my uncle and one of my long-time neighbors included. The poor customer service in Florida is just one of the many results of this issue.
Also, most people Florida don't really have any working knowledge of California, as most have never been. Lots of people in East often compare California and Florida and make it seem as though the two states are very similar due to warm weather, beaches, palm trees, etc. when they couldn't more different. In my experience, most white people in Florida only have a working knowledge of New York and maybe New Jersey, and most black people only have a working knowledge of Georgia. The reason for this is that Florida is much more working-class than California as well as being pretty disconnected geographically from most other states, including its neighbors, so people in Florida tend to travel to different states less frequently because it's more expensive and arduous than in other states. FWIW, lots of working-class people who were born and raised in Florida, esp. South Florida, have never even left the state. OTOH, Californians are much more well-traveled in the US--and aborad, for that matter--overall than people in Florida because they tend to be better educated, higher income, and more open-minded to new places/cultures/experiences. People in the East really only seem interested in traveling to Disney World and either Italy or Israel.
You are ridiculous. Nevada is NOTHING! If that state vanished tomorrow no one would know. No one save those who like to gamble in Vegas. How stupid is it to say that taking away Florida's water, and theme parks will make Nevada worth something. Why stop there? Why not take away Florida's low taxes as well? How about taking Miami, one of the world's most renowned tourist destinations with a metropolitan population more than twice the entire state of Nevada? How about taking Key West? And the Spanish history of Tampa? How about taking St. Augustine and Jacksonville while your at is for added history?
If any state had those things Florida offered then the state would be an amazing place to live. What a ridiculous rant against Florida you have made. In my opinion, you can argue that California is a better place to live than Florida. To me, it depends on your lifestyle. But don't be playing some ignorant nonsense that Florida is a state to perceive as insignificant. It is the 3rd most populous state in our nation and it definitely has some awesome things going for it.
You are ridiculous. Nevada is NOTHING! If that state vanished tomorrow no one would know. No one save those who like to gamble in Vegas. How stupid is it to say that taking away Florida's water, and theme parks will make Nevada worth something. Why stop there? Why not take away Florida's low taxes as well? How about taking Miami, one of the world's most renowned tourist destinations with a metropolitan population more than twice the entire state of Nevada? How about taking Key West? And the Spanish history of Tampa? How about taking St. Augustine and Jacksonville while your at is for added history?
If any state had those things Florida offered then the state would be an amazing place to live. What a ridiculous rant against Florida you have made. In my opinion, you can argue that California is a better place to live than Florida. To me, it depends on your lifestyle. But don't be playing some ignorant nonsense that Florida is a state to perceive as insignificant. It is the 3rd most populous state in our nation and it definitely has some awesome things going for it.
I wouldn't waste time responding. Several posts are just huge exaggerations.
Typical Florida people--not too swift and have difficulty comprehending concepts that aren't very difficult to grasp at all.
Gnutella was insinuating that Nevada--a highly transient state with an economy largely dependent on tourism and construction--is very much like Florida, and it is. If you *move Disneyland from California to Nevada*--since Nevada has no theme parks--and *add water*--meaning give it some beaches (again, figurative)--you'll have Florida. Jeez, it doesn't rocket scientist to figure out what he was saying, OMG.
However, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that three posters from Florida had difficulty trying to figure that out, as I found comprehension ability along with general common sense to be severely lacking among people in Florida, primarily due to the little to no education of most residents. FWIW, I've never known so many high school dropouts in any of the states in which I've lived as I did while living in Florida, my uncle and one of my long-time neighbors included. The poor customer service in Florida is just one of the many results of this issue.
Also, most people Florida don't really have any working knowledge of California, as most have never been. Lots of people in East often compare California and Florida and make it seem as though the two states are very similar due to warm weather, beaches, palm trees, etc. when they couldn't more different. In my experience, most white people in Florida only have a working knowledge of New York and maybe New Jersey, and most black people only have a working knowledge of Georgia. The reason for this is that Florida is much more working-class than California as well as being pretty disconnected geographically from most other states, including its neighbors, so people in Florida tend to travel to different states less frequently because it's more expensive and arduous than in other states. FWIW, lots of working-class people who were born and raised in Florida, esp. South Florida, have never even left the state. OTOH, Californians are much more well-traveled in the US--and aborad, for that matter--overall than people in Florida because they tend to be better educated, higher income, and more open-minded to new places/cultures/experiences. People in the East really only seem interested in traveling to Disney World and either Italy or Israel.
Florida can get pretty rough, and trashy. Reading your post, is it more of an indictment of the overall culture of the eastcoast, or of Florida? It gets a little fuzzy towards the end of your post.
I don't understand the blind Florida hate on this forum sometimes. The state simply isn't that bad. It's not my favorite state either, but I think there are too many exaggerated stories that people spread about Florida that adds to the state's bad reputation.
It's just a bigger target due to its size (population). Other such targets include California, Texas and New York. I don't think anyone hates as much on each other as Californians and Texans though. Heh.
California has a well-defined state culture with many local spin-offs. The culture of California is unifying, too--people in Bakersfield and Fresno, believe it or not, will probably have something in common with people in LA, Sacramento, or Redding from a cultural standpoint. When people move to California, they assimilate and become Californians.
Florida, OTOH, has one of the least definable state cultures of any state in the country because of two reasons: 1) it's very transient (people constantly moving in and out, mostly due to the criminal/runaway/working-class element it attracts), and 2) almost everyone who moves to Florida brings the culture of their home state and/or city with them, failing to assimilate to create/nurture a homegrown state culture. It's been like this for years, too. For example, the part of Florida in which I lived for years could have passed as Long Island--thick NY accents, pizza/bagel joints, and NYY hats/shirts/decals abound. However, if you drove an hour south, you'd think you were in Colombia or Venezuela. Someone in Miami will most likely have nothing in common with someone in Tallahassee, Pensacola, or even Fort Myers. At the end of the day, there's simple nothing that's culturally defining nor unifying in Florida.
With regard to the transience issue, Florida is much more transient than California, the latter of which is home to tons of natives, especially LA/LB (to my surprise, actually), hence the reason why there's way more state pride in California than in Florida. People in Florida are prouder to be from somewhere else or the children of transplants from elsewhere than to be from Florida. They're also more likely to move on after a few years whereas most people who move to California and esp. those born there never leave. I lived in Florida for years, and I wouldn't be able to pick out the state flag if you were holding a loaded gun to my head. OTOH, I knew what the California state flag looked like by Day 2--speaks volumes, IMO.
Neither. Ever meet a NYC transplant? They are everywhere in the city.
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