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I'm referring to your post about DC's development and growth. People don't hate DC because it has a lot of growth. It's yours and others excessive boosting that turns people off.
You said knock everything down. What else is "everything" supposed to mean?
Your example in alexandria is nowwhere near a metro station or a commercial area.
Then you said it's happening all over the DC area, not specifying around metro stations.
You're just mad cause you're getting called out on the bull.
That is near Van Dorn Metro station. It's apart of the Landmark Mall redevelopment.
You people are harping on the names of the towns more than what the thread is about and original question from the OP. We are talking about walk-able urban nodes that are suburbs of major cities. All of these DC suburbs we have referred to have both walk-able transit oriented urban nodes, and many still have within the same municipal boundaries, "leafy town home/SFH suburbs". You're not getting anywhere with this argument because we are really not getting at the same points. I understand that parts of these suburbs do taper off into more suburb style housing in SOME areas. The point we are getting at is the urban hub, or nodes are extremely walk-able and transit based however. This is not hard to comprehend.
Let me quote the OP here...
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Which major cities in the country have the most urban, most dense, most cohesive, most car-free living, most pedestrian scaled, most public transit friendly environment in the suburbs?
I bolded the two statements that I think the DC suburbs fail on. They are unarguably dense and public-transit friendly in sections. They are fairly urban and good for car-free living as well. They are not very well scaled for pedestrians however, and they certainly are not cohesive in the sense of somewhere like Cambridge or Hoboken.
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No, it's your extremism that assumed we meant ever single inch of the suburbs would be redeveloped which even New York City isn't urban everywhere. We have been talking about metro stations only because this is a thread about living car free around metro stations. Let's say a mile - 1/2 mile buffer zone.
The OP never stipulated such a requirement about "living car free around metro stations"--only transit friendly, which is open for interpretation, and is just but one of several criteria.
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You people are harping on the names of the towns more than what the thread is about and original question from the OP. We are talking about walk-able urban nodes that are suburbs of major cities. All of these DC suburbs we have referred to have both walk-able transit oriented urban nodes, and many still have within the same municipal boundaries, "leafy town home/SFH suburbs". You're not getting anywhere with this argument because we are really not getting at the same points. I understand that parts of these suburbs do taper off into more suburb style housing in SOME areas. The point we are getting at is the urban hub, or nodes are extremely walk-able and transit based however. This is not hard to comprehend.
Based on the original post's premise, DC gets no higher than 5 in this ranking. The point we are getting at is that DC will never catch up to those cities above it anytime soon, if ever, because of the nature of its TOD (post-WW2). So while all of this stuff about its TOD is informative, let's keep it in perspective. Why is DC the number one traffic congested city in the nation?
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Let me quote the OP here...
I bolded the two statements that I think the DC suburbs fail on. They are unarguably dense and public-transit friendly in sections. They are fairly urban and good for car-free living as well. They are not very well scaled for pedestrians however, and they certainly are not cohesive in the sense of somewhere like Cambridge or Hoboken.
What is not cohesive about DT Silver Spring? The place is actually as urban if not more than the neighborhood of Washington DC it is adjacent to across the city line. Its just smaller than places like Hoboken etc. I already gave you the fact the urban nodes do taper off into suburban style housing, but the urban hub of DT Silver Spring is very cohesive IMO (w/ transit everywhere). All I'm saying is that people are on here misrepresenting facts which is all I ever speak about. And its not that the transit level really changes that drastically in many of these areas, because there are bike lanes and bus routes that even run through some of the more leafy developed areas as well.
I think it's fair insofar as many people (stupidly, IMHO) avoid core city living when they become parents over school concerns. School desirability of course varies from place to place, but Cambridge is generally better regarded than Boston, and of course Brookline trumps virtually any district in the region (except maybe Newton). So while I don't know if this was the intent of the OP, I could see someone looking for all of the pluses of city life (density, car-free living, walkability) without the minuses.
Agree re: schools. That's a good point. I don't know a thing about Somerville schools. I do think Cambridge is seen as better and Brookline is definitely very good. But I do think that outside of schools, those areas (Brookline is a bit more well-to-do and has some lower-density pockets) are as functionally "Boston" as, say, The Richmond is in San Francisco (Cambridge is actually more inner-city/urban than the Richmond). San Francisco is another city with a relatively small land area. It's about 4 miles from Montgomery Station in San Francisco's Financial District to Geary/Park Presidio in the Richmond. It's about 1.5 miles from Downtown Crossing station to Kendall Square in Cambridge, 3.25 to Coolidge Corner in Brookline, and 4 miles to Davis Square in Somerville. Each of those places arguable has better transit access to downtown Boston than San Francisco's Richmond district does too (Green Line for Brookline, and Red for Cambridge and Somerville).
So again, I agree that the school districts make a difference. But functionally from a car-free, urban living standpoint, Cambridge, Somerville and Brookline are very much part of the urban fabric of Boston. It's difficult to call them suburbs.
What is not cohesive about DT Silver Spring? The place is actually as urban if not more than the neighborhood of Washington DC it is adjacent to across the city line.
The adjacent areas of DC are suburban in nature.
And Silver Spring isn't remotely similar to Hoboken. It's equivalent in the NYC area would be something like Morristown, but not quite as nice. Or maybe a smaller, less affluent, less urban version of White Plains or Stamford.
If Silver Spring were in the NYC metro it would be considered fairly suburban and sprawly.
That's not near van dorn. Nobody walks to that that area from the station. Stop the bull already
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