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Originally Posted by l1995
LA is only about as dense as my suburban town of Baldwin, New York, partly for that reason I have a hard time thinking of LA as being urban
Don't let the overall density of 8k fool you, quite a bit of that is taken up by mountains, census tracts are where it's at, the area around Echo Park has a density of 50k ppsm, and Koreatown is over 40k ppsm. Most of the LA Basin avg's 10-15k ppsm
Lol it's quite obvious LA or anything Cali related get so much downplay from lame eastcoast posters on this forum. No point in an arguement as the 2nd largest city it will get the hate that come with it. You can ask if some cowtown texas city is more urban than LA and these weirdos would say yes too LOL. I looked up Pittsburg on maps and laugh, you can't be serious with all that open space and grass lmao **** the eastcoast
Don't let the overall density of 8k fool you, quite a bit of that is taken up by mountains, census tracts are where it's at, the area around Echo Park has a density of 50k ppsm, and Koreatown is over 40k ppsm. Most of the LA Basin avg's 10-15k ppsm
Why even reply to that poster with any rational sense? It's obvious someone is a troll when they mention some nobody town noone will ever know about and say it's as urban as the city!
Remember guys, the question wasn't which city is more urban, but which city looks/feels more urban.
The conventional argument regarding LA is that even though it has a suburban-appearing built form, it packs in a high population density, and even a high unit density due to things like accessory units tucked away on the back side of deep parcels. Basically, that LA might not look urban, but that it is urban nonetheless.
Pittsburgh has traditional urban form in spades. Around a third of the city by land area is dominated by neighborhoods of rowhouse density or higher. This doesn't sound like much (especially given the small size of the city) but it's probably the most cohesive city in terms of built urban form off the east coast, excluding Chicago, San Francisco, and perhaps Seattle these days.
"Feels urban" is much harder to define, as someone could use it to describe virtually anything. I'd take this to mean that when walking around on the street there's a lot of pedestrian bustle. Opinions may differ however.
Urbanity and density are not the same thing. Third World shantytowns and favelas have incredibly dense populations, but lack urban infrastructure. Suburban style apartment complexes can provide great population density. On the flipside, mixed use it areas can be supremely urban, while meeting a little population density because majority of the space isn't being used for housing. I posted a couple of photographic examples last night, but they seem to have been deleted.
Don't let the overall density of 8k fool you, quite a bit of that is taken up by mountains, census tracts are where it's at, the area around Echo Park has a density of 50k ppsm, and Koreatown is over 40k ppsm. Most of the LA Basin avg's 10-15k ppsm
Urbanity and density are not the same thing. Third World shantytowns and favelas have incredibly dense populations, but lack urban infrastructure. Suburban style apartment complexes can provide great population density. On the flipside, mixed use it areas can be supremely urban, while meeting a little population density because majority of the space isn't being used for housing. I posted a couple of photographic examples last night, but they seem to have been deleted.
Yup, those shantytown like conditions is partly why LA is so dense.
Don't let the overall density of 8k fool you, quite a bit of that is taken up by mountains, census tracts are where it's at, the area around Echo Park has a density of 50k ppsm, and Koreatown is over 40k ppsm. Most of the LA Basin avg's 10-15k ppsm
Koreatown is EASILY the most urban neighborhood in all of Los Angeles. but it is very much an anomaly. A larger percentage of Pittsburgh is urban in form than Los Angeles. Take a look at these links below. These neighborhoods are home to more than half of Pittsburgh's population. Pittsburgh is, on the whole, more urban.
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Originally Posted by eschaton
Here's a group of streetviews I put together for a thread on another forum from the classically urban residential streets in Pitttsburgh. I excluded business districts.
* Not indicative of majority of housing stock in neighborhood.
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