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I'll tell you what I'm thinking and seeing with my own eyes, on multiple, recent visits to both.
I am one of the biggest champions and defender of Orlando on this site. I am not buying what you're selling though, by any stretch of the imagination.
What you are "thinking" and "seeing" is subjective and is your personal opinion, it does not change the facts unfortunately.
The data that I previously posted is factual data, I even posted my sources, the facts state that Downtown Orlando is significantly larger and more developed in all aspects than Downtown St. Petersburg. You cannot change facts..
What you are "thinking" and "seeing" is subjective and is your personal opinion, it does not change the facts unfortunately.
The data that I previously posted is factual data, I even posted my sources, the facts state that Downtown Orlando is significantly larger and more developed in all aspects than Downtown St. Petersburg. You cannot change facts..
Im not agreeing or disagreeing but larger doesnt mean more urban or vibrant which is what I thought was the argument.
What you are "thinking" and "seeing" is subjective and is your personal opinion, it does not change the facts unfortunately.
The data that I previously posted is factual data, I even posted my sources, the facts state that Downtown Orlando is significantly larger and more developed in all aspects than Downtown St. Petersburg. You cannot change facts..
You can tout 'opinion' around as 'facts' all day and night if you want to. It changes nothing. You are no more in command of them than the people you challenge.
In my experience, at this point in time...St. Petersburg offers a far more integrated downtown experience than does Orlando...for now. Things may change over time, as they both have brilliant futures. But for now, relax and stop the 'High Noon' crapola.
You can tout 'opinion' around as 'facts' all day and night if you want to. It changes nothing. You are no more in command of them than the people you challenge.
In my experience, at this point in time...St. Petersburg offers a far more integrated downtown experience than does Orlando...for now. Things may change over time, as they both have brilliant futures. But for now, relax and stop the 'High Noon' crapola.
How is the data quoted below an "opinion"?? And how can you realistically tell me that the substantial variance in population and employment numbers does not have any impact whatsoever on urbanity?
Higher population = More residents occupying residential units, more people walking around the streets, using services, visiting restaurants/cafes/bars/nightlife, using transportation services, participating in local events/festivals/etc..
Higher employment = High volume of commuters occupying the area during business hours, higher volume of businesses/places of employment, and once again; more people walking around the streets, visiting restuarants/cafes/bars/nightlife, using transportation services, contributing to the downtown economy, etc..
I don't understand what the debate is here, the numbers speak for themselves.
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Originally Posted by MrKnight
Umm, not quite, you are both totally wrong actually. Please see the actual facts below:
Downtown Orlando Population: 43,388
Downtown St. Petersburg Popuatlion: 9,884
Downtown Orlando Total Households: 20,520
Downtown St. Petersburg Total Households: 8,027
Downtown Orlando Employment: 149,298
Downtown St. Petersburg Employment: 22,595
How is the data quoted below an "opinion"?? And how can you realistically tell me that the substantial variance in population and employment numbers does not have any impact whatsoever on urbanity?
Higher population = More residents occupying residential units, more people walking around the streets, using services, visiting restaurants/cafes/bars/nightlife, using transportation services, participating in local events/festivals/etc..
Higher employment = High volume of commuters occupying the area during business hours, higher volume of businesses/places of employment, and once again; more people walking around the streets, visiting restuarants/cafes/bars/nightlife, using transportation services, contributing to the downtown economy, etc..
I don't understand what the debate is here, the numbers speak for themselves.
GIGO = Garbage in, garbage out. I'd like to see what constitutes 'downtown' here.
Mmm-hmm. Just as I thought.
All those years I thought I was living in College Park, and I was actually living downtown. Go figure.
If you actually read the map before jumping to conclusions you will see that the area in GREY is what is considered Downtown Orlando, everything outside of the area in grey is not.
No, NO Orlampa won't be. Tampa is more business oriented with a few large back-office campuses BUT where are the Fortune 500 HEADQUARTERS AND regional offices!? You got who/what? Orlando is basically a tourist trap and NOTHING more. If Washington D.C. had to chose which to sacrifice under NUKE attack, say goodbye to those Florida metros.
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