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It’s very common for a lot of places between the Rockies and just this side of the east coast.
I actually like Pittsburgh a lot, but it's pretty emphatically not NYC or Boston, and the things that make people love NYC or Boston are very, very different than the things that make people love Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is charming, but it is not an alternative to DC, NYC, Boston, etc.
Not at the higher levels, but at the lower levels absolutely yes. Boston prices are less variable because housing is less variable and there is less housing available period. 350k will probably get you the same quality in either city.
It depends on the type of housing/lifestyle you want. If you are looking for suburban living, Prince George's county or the further out exurban DC counties probably offers the least expensive housing of the 4 MSAs.
But if you are looking for urban living NYC is probably the best bet. It has lots of non hip, but safe walkable comparatively affordable areas in Brooklyn, Queens, to a lesser extent Bronx. Boston arguably has a couple similar areas where you can get an old walk-up building is a safe walkable area. DC's safe walkable areas are relatively limited, so cheap old places will harder to find. SF is pretty much expensive even in the worst areas.
In that case, NYC. It would suck but it's the most hospitable to lower incomes of any in that list.
Depends on what you call “hospitable” I think it has a ton of options and better transit but DC and Boston are probably more hospitable environments in terms of housing and neighborhood QOL things . Boston is cleaner and has more greenery with higher incomes. Same for DC. Difference is Boston has non hip satellite cities and adjoining cities (Everett Lynn Malden Revere Chelsea Salem Quincy etc) that are pretty affordable urban and walkable. DC doesn’t really. Its gardens style apartments and small SFH suburban environs.
I actually like Pittsburgh a lot, but it's pretty emphatically not NYC or Boston, and the things that make people love NYC or Boston are very, very different than the things that make people love Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is charming, but it is not an alternative to DC, NYC, Boston, etc.
I agree Pittsburgh isn't on DC, Boston or NYCs level. But Boston or DC arguably have as much in common with Pittsburgh as they do with NYC.
Depends on what you call “hospitable” I think it has a ton of options and better transit but DC and Boston are probably more hospitable environments in terms of housing and neighborhood QOL things . Boston is cleaner and has more greenery with higher incomes. Same for DC. Difference is Boston has non hip satellite cities and adjoining cities (Everett Lynn Malden Revere Chelsea Salem Quincy etc) that are pretty affordable urban and walkable. DC doesn’t really. Its gardens style apartments and small SFH suburban environs.
Not just in the affordability department but also options and programs for lower income people when a crisis arrises. $70k with children in any of those cities will be poverty so I wouldnt necessarily look for the most affordable as they will all be too high, but rather which one offers the most services to lower income people.
Not just in the affordability department but also options and programs for lower income people when a crisis arrises. $70k with children in any of those cities will be poverty so I wouldnt necessarily look for the most affordable as they will all be too high, but rather which one offers the most services to lower income people.
Boston probably my has the most options for helping low income people becaus it has the most grassroots per capita of any city, tons of universities that chip in, the highest share of income restricted apartments in the US, and is establishing a city funded rental voucher program specifically for low income folks.
https://thebostonsun.com/2018/12/21/...dable-housing/
^Boston’s Chief is Housing Sheila Dillon:
“We have a lot of affordable rental units,” she said. “Some 27 percent of our rental units are deed restricted affordable. That is a very high number, but it also came out that we don’t have a lot of affordable home ownership. We do want to increase the number of affordable home ownership opportunities in the City. We’ll be working on that as a next step as well.””
In the South End 48% of all units are income restricted, in Roxbury it’s 45%, in Jamaica Plain its 45%. Those neighborhoods alone house ~110k people.
There are 33k non profits in Massachusetts.
But Unfortunately 70k is not poverty. That’s the median household in come in Boston DC and NYC. I’d wager that most families in those cities make slightly less than that simply because the more affluent parts of the population are typically single and DINKS as middle class families don’t really live in cities. That’s why in city public schools 70%+ of kids are eligible for free or reduced price lunch. I don’t even think Boston charges for lunch at all anymore-or maybe that’s just a few schools.
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Yeah one thing I noticed in New York is they kind of just stick their poor people away in big overcrowded brick buildings and call it a day. Not a real big help there.
Nyc offers the most options for lower middle class, but for quality and the placed you live in are not anywhere near desirable.
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Yeah one thing I noticed in New York is they kind of just stick their poor people away in big overcrowded brick buildings and call it a day. Not a real big help there.
Nyc offers the most options for lower middle class, but for quality and the placed you live in are not anywhere near desirable.
Yep, pretty much agreed with this. NY is the answer to the OP question for what it offers, but not the most desirable option for people of that class IMO, as opposed to what you get in DC or Boston metros.
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