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View Poll Results: Which is impacting its city’s image more?
“Chi-raq” 66 77.65%
Boston racism 19 22.35%
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-17-2021, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Originally Posted by citidata18 View Post
When I compare cities on this forum, it is always in a MSA context unless otherwise noted.

This is Greater Boston's racial makeup:

White - 69%
Black - 8%
Hispanic - 12%

Conversely, this is Chicagoland's racial makeup:

White - 52%
Black - 16%
Hispanic - 23%

Also, black people make up 13% of the US population while hispanic people make up 19%, and Greater Boston falls solidly below both numbers.
You just skewed data to work in your favor. You just said Boston. Now you changed this to Boston MSA... which is in fact closer to 65% white if you want to get technical here. But either way, Boston is Boston. And we are talking about the city that is 41% White, 25% Black, 23% Hispanic and 10% Asian. Something like that. Noone calls Mansfield MA or Lowell MA racist in pop culture. They are calling Boston racist. So lets stay on topic here.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:20 PM
 
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Boston is 58% (or more now) minority. Its also like 10% LGBT.. sooo?
https://www.city-data.com/forum/60844651-post15.html

And LGBT has nothing to do with racism.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:25 PM
 
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You just skewed data to work in your favor.
I didn't skew anything.

Newsflash for you: Cities functionally extend beyond what's contained inside an arbitrary municipal boundary.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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They are calling Boston racist.
No one in the real world outside of Greater Boston says "Boston is such a racist city, except for that nice little suburb called Cambridge!!!"

City or suburbs, it's all one in the same to a outsider.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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No one in the real world outside of Greater Boston says "Boston is such a racist city, except for that nice little suburb called Cambridge!!!"

City or suburbs, it's all one in the same to a outsider.
Well technically, Cambridge isnt a suburb. But anyway, because most issues occured within the City of Boston. Poor leadership, terrible city councilors, the worst schools in the best state. Half of the issue was... once you crossed the city limits you entered some fake utopia or a much better city.

Boston itself. The city. Was horrible. From the BPD to BPS to planning. Onceyou do cross to Cbridge or Quincy or Lynn, completely different situations

Pre1996
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:41 PM
 
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Well technically, Cambridge isnt a suburb. But anyway, because most issues occured within the City of Boston. Poor leadership, terrible city councilors, the worst schools in the best state. Half of the issue was... once you crossed the city limits you entered some fake utopia or a much better city.

Boston itself. The city. Was horrible. From the BPD to BPS to planning. Onceyou do cross to Cbridge or Quincy or Lynn, completely different situations
There may be fewer of the operational isues you mentioned (naturally because these are small municipalities), but in terms of casual and institutional racism, I highly doubt the situation is "completely different" as you say.

It would certainly go against the grain of every other major metro area in the country, where racial profiling and a lack of minority representation (while both improving) tends to be worse in neighboring suburbs than the city proper.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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That’s not really a good argument. That would only make it worse. Supposing Boston is majority minority, it still has historic levels of wealth distribution that don’t care about the majority in town
“Supposing” smh.

That's how damaged the reputation is. It's been majority minority for 20 years, a quick tour of where people actually live in the city of Boston would confirm that. “Supposing”...
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Well technically, Cambridge isnt a suburb. But anyway, because most issues occured within the City of Boston. Poor leadership, terrible city councilors, the worst schools in the best state. Half of the issue was... once you crossed the city limits you entered some fake utopia or a much better city.

Boston itself. The city. Was horrible. From the BPD to BPS to planning. Onceyou do cross to Cbridge or Quincy or Lynn, completely different situations

Pre1996
People not from Boston don't understand how down bad the city truly was. For a very long time.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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When I compare cities on this forum, it is always in a MSA context unless otherwise noted.

This is Greater Boston's racial makeup:

White - 69%
Black - 8%
Hispanic - 12%

Conversely, this is Chicagoland's racial makeup:

White - 52%
Black - 16%
Hispanic - 23%

Also, black people make up 13% of the US population while hispanic people make up 19%, and Greater Boston falls solidly below both numbers.
Yeabut 80% of greater boston isn't remotely like Boston physically or culturally and isn't very well connected to Boston. No one in Boston is talking about Greater Boston. Furthermore not all parts of greater rBoston (most) don't have the history that Boston has. Mostly because they had no minorities.

Same way no one is thinking Chicagoland when they think Chicago and it's crime.
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Old 04-17-2021, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I didn't skew anything.

Newsflash for you: Cities functionally extend beyond what's contained inside an arbitrary municipal boundary.
Newsflash that's much lessso in a place where all 180 towns in the area are hundreds of years old
, self governing, idiosyncratic and very independent.

But skew away.
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