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View Poll Results: The Principal West Coast City Is:
Los Angeles 168 79.25%
San Francisco 31 14.62%
Seattle 13 6.13%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-09-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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LA's actually the largest manufacturing center, period. No city, not even Rust Belt cities, comes close.
Newark, NJ I am 75% sure is ahead of LA. If not simply Newark the area of New Jersey combined including Newark. New Jersey is the largest manufacture place in the nation. Yes why do you think people call that certain part of New Jersey the armpit of America?
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Well, in terms of diversity, I think the Bay Area and LA are pretty much matched (Seattle is lagging behind in this indicator). I hate calculating diversity based on the 4 broad racial groups (makes no sense whatsoever but off topic here), but the point still stands.

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2006-2008

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA (bottom of that page)
46.2% White
22.4% Hispanic
21.1% Asian
6.4% Black
2.6% Two or More Races
US Census Diversity Index: .687 (= {[.462*.462] + [.224*.224] + [.211*.211] + [.064*.064]+[.026*.026]} - 1.00)

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2006-2008

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA (bottom of that page)
35.4% White
43.9% Hispanic
11.3% Asian
6.8% Black
1.6% Two or More Races
US Census Diversity Index: .664 (= {[.354*.354] + [.439*.439] + [.113+.113] + [.068*.068]+[.016*.016]} - 1.00)

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2006-2008

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA

73.9% White
7.2% Hispanic
9.1% Asian
4.6% Black
3.5% Two or More Races
US Census Diversity Index: .437 (= {[.739*.739] + [.072*.072] + [.091+.091] + [.046*.046]+[.035*.035]} - 1.00)
Awesome post.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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LA's actually the largest manufacturing center, period. No city, not even Rust Belt cities, comes close.
LA's manufacturing and entertainment industries ENTIRE GROSS PRODUCT COMBINED...

is still less than the HALF the annual revenue of Chevron.


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Old 01-09-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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Newark, NJ I am 75% sure is ahead of LA. If not simply Newark the area of New Jersey combined including Newark. New Jersey is the largest manufacture place in the nation. Yes why do you think people call that certain part of New Jersey the armpit of America?
Los Angeles is the number 1 manufacturing MSA as far as the total dollar value.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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Los Angeles is the number 1 manufacturing MSA as far as the total dollar value.
How is it possible to know this? Judging by the size of the armpit of New Jersey, I find it hard to believe that it is not the leader. Also, would how close it is to China compared to other cities play factor in this?
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:30 PM
 
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This is from a thread in the US General Forum...

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50 Things That Changed Our Lives In The '00s - Entertainment News Story - WESH Orlando (http://www.wesh.com/entertainment/22030182/detail.html - broken link)

AIRPORTS: Remember when you didn't have to take your shoes off before getting on a plane? Remember when you could bring a bottled drink on board? Terrorism changed all that.

ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE: From acupuncture to herbal supplements to alternative ways of treating cancer, alternative medicine became more mainstream than ever.

APPS: There's an app for that! The phrase comes from Apple iPhone advertising, but could apply to the entire decade's gadget explosion, from laptops to GPS systems (want your car to give you directions to Mom's house in Chinese, or by a Frenchwoman named Virginie? There was an app for that.)

AARP cards ... for boomers! Some prominent Americans turned 50 this decade: Madonna. Prince. Ellen DeGeneres. The Smurfs. Michael Jackson -- who also died at 50. And some prominent "early boomers" turned 60: Bruce Springsteen and Meryl Streep, for example.

AGING: Nobody seemed to look their age anymore: Clothes for 50-year-old women started looking more like clothes for 18-year-olds, tweens looked more like teens, long hair was popular for all ages, and in many ways women's fashion seemed to morph into one single age group.

BLOG: I blog, you blog, he blogs ... How did we spend our time before blogging? There are more than 100 million of these Web logs out there in cyberspace.


BLACKBERRIES: Considered essential by corporate CEOs and moms planning playdates. Introduced in 2002, the smartphone version is now used by more than 28 million people, according to its maker, Research In Motion Ltd.

BOOK CLUBS: Thanks in part to Oprah Winfrey, the decade saw not only a profusion in book discussion clubs but a growing reliance on them by publishers.

CABLE: Cable 24-hour news made the evening network news seem quaint, cable dramas reaped Emmys ... and at decade's end, even Oprah was making the move to cable.

CAMERAS: Remember those trips to get film developed? Nope? Even your grandmother has a digital camera, and she's probably e-mailing you photos right now or uploading them to a photo-sharing site.

CELEBRITY CULTURE: Celebrity magazines fed a growing obsession with celebrities and the everyday minutiae of their lives. By decade's end, we were still obsessed, though Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie had ceded many covers to reality stars like Jon and Kate Gosselin. Celebrity Web sites like TMZ took hold mid-decade.

CELL PHONES: Cell phones are now used by more than 85 percent of the U.S. population and for some have replaced land lines entirely. On the downside, they've made cheating on a spouse more difficult -- just ask Tiger Woods.

CHEFS: Chefs are hot! The Food Network, whose viewership tripled this decade, reeled in viewers with high-voltage personalities like Rachael Ray and Bobby Flay, Emeril Lagasse and Giada De Laurentis. Meryl Streep starred in a cinematic pean to the late Julia Child.

CONNECTIVITY: As in, we're all expected to be connected, wirelessly, all the time. Boss e-mails you on a Sunday? Better answer, unless you're off in Antarctica -- you have no excuse.

COUGARS: A new TV series called "Cougar Town" focuses on a phenomenon that gained its name this decade: women dating younger men.

CROCS: Those ubiquitous plastic clogs debuted in 2002 and became the shoes you loved to hate. Kids love 'em, but there are Web groups dedicated to their destruction. Not to be deterred: First lady Michelle Obama, who wore them on vacation in 2009.

DANCING: Dancing never went out of style, but this decade saw the huge popularity of dancing contests like "So You Think You Can Dance" and "Dancing With the Stars."

DATING: Dating was transformed like everything else by Internet sites, rendering other ways of meeting people obsolete. And it wasn't just the territory of the relatively young: Seniors found love online, too.

DVRs: Suddenly, DVR-ing is a verb, and what it means is this: There's no reason to know anymore what channel your program is on, and what time.

EMBARRASSMENT ENTERTAINMENT: Embarrassment has always been part of comedy -- you need only think of Don Rickles -- but this is the decade of cringe-worthy Larry David in "Curb Your Enthusiasm," Ricky Gervais, and of course Sacha Baron Cohen, who as Borat and Bruno shamed perhaps the entire country.

FACEBOOK: Can you believe this social networking site was once limited only to Harvard students? Now it's a time-sucking obsession for more than 300 million users globally and a whole new form of social etiquette: Who to friend on Facebook?

FAT: This was the decade that fat became the enemy of the state. New York City banned trans fats, and Alabama -- second in national obesity rankings -- introduced a tax on overweight state workers.

FOODIE: It's not just that guy in the White House who liked arugula -- this was the decade of the foodie, when we all developed gourmet palates. Even a burger became a gourmet item -- as in Daniel Bouloud's truffle burger, stuffed with foie gras and short ribs.

GOING GREEN: From the kind of light bulbs we use to the kind of shopping bags we carry to the cars we drive, "going green" took hold this decade. Now, it's not strange to hear a schoolkid tell a parent to use a cloth grocery bag.

GOOGLE: This was the decade that Google became a part of our brain function. You know that guy who was in that movie -- when was it? Just Google it.

GPS: We can't get lost anymore -- or at least it's pretty hard, with the ubiquitous GPS systems. But you'd better type in your location carefully: One couple made a 400-mile mistake this year by typing "Carpi" rather than "Capri."

HELICOPTER PARENTING: Translation: helicopters hover, and so do many parents. After years of obsessive attention to safety and achievement of the youngest children, some said a backlash was under way.

INFORMATION OVERLOAD: An explosion in Internet use led to an overload of information about practically everything. It's at our fingertips, but is it accurate? Some call it part of a larger phenomenon, namely ...

INSTANT GRATIFICATION: Otherwise known as being able to get anything you want within an instant. Often referred to as a theme of the decade.

IPODS: An icon of the digital age, it's hard to believe this portable media player was first launched in 2001. Six years later the 100 millionth iPod was sold.

LIFE COACHES: In the aughts, there's a coach for everything! So why not life itself? Some say life coaches are merely therapists without the license or regulations.

MUSICALS: They've been around forever, but this decade musicals came back to film, starting with "Moulin Rouge" and "Chicago." But for kids, it was Disney's extremely successful "High School Musical" franchise -- three movies and counting -- that brought back the musical magic.

NETFLIX: The DVD by mail service, established in 1997, announced its two-billionth DVD delivery this year. For many, those discs on top of the TV are just one more thing to procrastinate over.

ORGANIC: Americans rushed to fill their grocery carts with organic food, making it big business -- now a $21 billion industry, up from $3.6 billion in 1997. At decade's end, Michelle Obama planted the first White House organic vegetable garden.


PREGNANCY CHIC: If you've got it, flaunt it: That was the new ethos of the pregnancy experience, with chic clothes that emphasized the bulging belly, personal pregnancy photos, and endless coverage of celebrity pregnancies.

REALITY TV: As a nation, we became addicted to reality TV, from the feuding Gosselins of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" to "American Idol" to "Project Runway." At decade's end, the Heenes of Balloon Boy fame and the Salahis of gatecrashing fame give reality TV some unwanted attention.

RECESSION CHIC: Fashion skewed to more severe styles -- and much black -- as so-called "recession chic" took hold in the latter part of the decade.

RETRO CHIC: Once you forget the smoking, the racism, the sexism and the homophobia, the early '60s depicted by the AMC series "Mad Men" sure looked good. The swinging Madison Avenue ad men make neckties cool again.

SEXTING: Combine texting with a cell phone's camera function and you get this parental nightmare. A survey from Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project found that 15 percent of teens ages 12-17 with a cell phone had received sexually suggestive images or videos.

STARBUCKS: It's a cliche that there's one on every block, but sometimes it seemed like it -- and millions now consider it normal to spend $4 or so on a coffee drink in the morning, perhaps a venti half-caf half-decaf vanilla latte with an extra shot.

TATTOOS: It started innocently enough -- maybe a butterfly on the shoulder or a tribal symbol on the bicep. A few characters from the Chinese alphabet later it seemed any hipster who really meant it had a full sleeve of tattoos. The trend extended to middle-aged moms and even tween idol Miley Cyrus.

TEXTING: R u still rding this sty? Hope u r. This is the decade we start communicating in the shorthand of text messages. Get used to it: E-mail is so '00s.

TV SCREENS: Television screens became bigger and flatter, making some ordinary living rooms and dens the equivalent of big-studio screening rooms. At the same time, though, people were watching movies and videos on the tiniest screens imaginable -- on their iPods other mobile devices.


TWEEN CULTURE: Tweens, especially girls, became an economic force to be reckoned with, buying everything from clothes to electronic devices to music to concert tickets.

TWITTER: The new social network introduced tweets, retweets, follows and trending topics -- as long as it fit in 140 characters.

UGGS: Not since the Croc (see above) has functional footwear created such a frenzy. The fur-lined snowboots were everywhere, no matter the climate. Los Angelenos insisted on wearing them with shorts. WII: In a sea of ever-more-sophisticated video games, this simple console became the decade's breakout hit by appealing to the non-gaming masses. Wiis became a center of family gaming, home fitness and even senior socializing.

WIKIPEDIA: A boon to lazy students everywhere, the open-source encyclopedia used the masses to police its entries and keep them (mostly) (sometimes) accurate. YOGA: Madonna, Gwyneth and other bendy celebrities brought the eastern practice mainstream. By the end of the decade, even Grandma could do downward-facing dogs on her Wii Fit.

YOUTUBE: Let's end this list and go kill some time by watching ... YouTube videos! The video-sharing site was born in 2005. Political candidates in 2008 even had their on YouTube channels. The most popular video yet: "Charlie Bit My Finger," in which baby Charlie bites the finger of his brother Harry.


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If this little listing is true, then 13 of the 50 biggest life altering things that occured in the 2000s were either ACTUAL BAY AREA COMPANIES, or products devised by them or cultural and social movements the region is known to be center of.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I still pick L.A as the west coast's most prominent city.

But the Bay Area is actually probably more directly influential in the everyday lives of people around the world in 2010 than anywhere except possibly NYC.

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Old 01-09-2010, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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How is it possible to know this? Judging by the size of the armpit of New Jersey, I find it hard to believe that it is not the leader. Also, would how close it is to China compared to other cities play factor in this?

The Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Manufacturing Gross Product, 2006

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana $66.683 Billion
New York-Northern NJ-Long Island $62.455 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet $56.463 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown $50.866 Billion
Dallas-Ft Worth-Arlington $46.446 Billion


This is the latest year that NYs data is available.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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No they are not equal. LA is damn near twice the size of the Bay Area and Hollywood has been influencing the world for nearly a century, while Silicon Valley has only been relevant for 20 years.

As for LA being ridiculously rich, that's not really true. The Bay has a much higher average household income than LA. Hell, even Milwaukee has a higher average household income than LA.
Nilwaukee isn't richer than L.A. the small population "sample" makes
it apear that way , then reality hits you and the average income "spin"
falls away leaving Milwaukee naked. Los Angeles has "more" Millionaires
"more" Billionaires than Milwaukee can even dream about having.Los
Angeles Wealth is "Diluted" by Dividing 20 Million People Into It's Wealth
and getting A average income Figure.The State Of Oklahoma "Is Richer
Than" both (Great Britian England) and (Germany) when you use average
Income and that's bunk I know that you aren't buying that!
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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When you even have Bay Area forumers voting for Los Angeles, that says something. I consider myself both a resident of the Bay Area and Los Angeles, and for now, I think the title is somewhat safely in LA's hands.

I don't think Silicon Valley is as much as a household name as Hollywood yet. Think about when Silicon Valley arose (in the 70s) and when Hollywood arose (in the early 1900s). After all, the influence of Hollywood wasn't overnight for LA.

Give Silicon Valley more time and tie it into SF a bit more, and they could perhaps be tied. Think about how much money each CSA produces:

(Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis and US Census)

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA (incl. LA, Riverside, and Oxnard MSAs)
2008 Population: 17,786,419
2008 GMP: $866,095,000,000

San Jose-San Francisco- Oakland, CA CSA (incl. San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Rosa, Vallejo, Santa Cruz, and Napa MSAs)
2008 Population: 7,354,555
2008 GMP: $508,418,000,000

LA has 242% of the Bay Area's population, but only 170% the GMP (that's a HUGE disparity). If that's not a testament to how economically powerful the Bay Area is, then I don't know what is. If the Bay Area had LA's population with the same per capita output as now, it would be a $1.23 trillion dollar economy. Talking about population is only half the story.

Anyways, I love both areas. I love Seattle too, but for different reasons (sister lives there, and love visiting).
If San Francisco was the size of Los Angeles and New York City it
would be the Most Dominate And Powerful City In The World , but
guess "what" That will never happen , so you lose because of size
restriction San Francisco CA.
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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City-wise, definitely Los Angeles.

Metro-wise, I'd say the Bay Area. Much more relevant in today's world.
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