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It's a mixture, really. There are substantial swaths where you'll find either 2- or 3- stories, even a few miles from the downtown core: 3817 N 18th St https://maps.app.goo.gl/PTCAyeFrj8ReHdWK9
Also, I completely agree with the notion of measuring continuous urbanity by "ignoring" municipal boundaries, but it should be consistently applied to all cities if that's going to be argued. While Philly's surrounding suburbs generally transition to leafy, detached housing more quickly, there's still some notable exceptions. Boroughs/Townships like Upper Darby, Yeadon, Collingdale, Darby, Glenolden, Folcroft (basically the Southeastern portion of Delaware County) share a lot of similarities with Philly proper in terms of built environment. Also parts of Cheltenham/Haverford Townships to the north and west.
It is consistent at 132/133 sq miles they have very similar populations.
Of the ones I included, you missed Everett, Medford, and Quincy. I personally left Newton alone. It adds up to 1,503,096 people in 136.59 sq miles. Compared to Philly's 1,580,863 people in 134 sq miles.
Cool. Could you add up all of the 2010 census stats and compare the two? I think the census tends to over estimate often. I remember the census over estimating Boston, DC, Atlanta and Phoenix etc back in 2005-09 which were very different from their official 2010 census counts. I think the same will happen again for the 2020 census.
Cool. Could you add up all of the 2010 census stats and compare the two? I think the census tends to over estimate often. I remember the census over estimating Boston, DC, Atlanta and Phoenix etc back in 2005-09 which were very different from their official 2010 census counts. I think the same will happen again for the 2020 census.
the census has never overestimate Boston. Mayor Menino had a long and well-publicized fight to get them to stop showing steep population loss between 2000 and 2005. It had our population as low as 555k/560k as late as 2006/2007. Idk about the 5 year estimates.
It is consistent at 132/133 sq miles they have very similar populations.
Right, I get that. But I'm speaking to the fact that if you're going to use a methodology of disregarding municipal boundaries to calculate the "true" scale of urban fabric in a given city/metro, then it you'd have to be consistent and allow all cities to do the same for its abutting municipalities (for which the urban fabric is contiguous, as noted in my last post in Philly's case).
I recognize that Boston is unique in that it has a particularly large number of municipalities where the core/dense built environment extends pretty far outside of Boston proper, but the existence of non-city proper core urban fabric isn't exclusive to Boston.
Right, I get that. But I'm speaking to the fact that if you're going to use a methodology of disregarding municipal boundaries to calculate the "true" scale of urban fabric in a given city/metro, then it you'd have to be consistent and allow all cities to do the same for its abutting municipalities (for which the urban fabric is contiguous, as noted in my last post in Philly's case).
I recognize that Boston is unique in that it has a particularly large number of municipalities where the core/dense built environment extends reasonably pretty outside of Boston proper, but the existence of non-city proper core urban fabric isn't exclusive to Boston.
As long as you add to equal geographic areas do what you want.
Chicago is more? like NYC, although it's much closer to Philly in both municipal and metro population.
I added a question mark because I really think that Philly is more like NYC in many ways, if mostly just because of the proximity, and similar house styles. Chicago is much more like NYC in regards to economic power and high-rise development.
So I guess if you mixed Chicago with Philly, boosted it's population to 8.6 million, and dropped it in the NY/Philly area, you would have something very similar to NYC.
Philly is more like New York than either one in feel, but I find it to be more like Chicago and less like Boston IMO. Another city that has some strange similarities to Philly feel-wise is Montreal. Philly has a better downtown; Montreal has much nicer neighborhoods.
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