What do you love/hate about Cleveland? (Ontario, Pioneer: apartment, landscaping)

[1watertiger]

i love the cleveland metro. too many things to mention that i love about this city... hate: the big surface lot on public sq.. hate: the lakefront is taking too long. hate/concern: cleveland public schools.

[13th Alphabet]

Love the the cultural amenities and diversity, view of the lake, view of the skyline from Edgewater Park, RTA, metroparks, University Circle, seeing the Italian and Hispanic women that are hard to find down here in Cincy, the relatively liberal feel of the area, and the resemblence of New England on the east side.

Hate that the city feel sorely underpopulated (abandoned, boarded up buildings, houses, etc. No pedestrian or vehicular traffic, which makes the city feel somewhat dead). What white-flight has done to the city. The "can't do/defeatist" attitude. Oh, and the mess out there near the airport that gives travelers the impression that Cleveland is a dirty, industrial town.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Wahl_Wrighter

Love the the cultural amenities and diversity, view of the lake, view of the skyline from Edgewater Park, RTA, metroparks, University Circle, seeing the Italian and Hispanic women that are hard to find down here in Cincy, the relatively liberal feel of the area, and the resemblence of New England on the east side.

Hate that the city feel sorely underpopulated (abandoned, boarded up buildings, houses, etc. No pedestrian or vehicular traffic, which makes the city feel somewhat dead). What white-flight has done to the city. The "can't do/defeatist" attitude. Oh, and the mess out there near the airport that gives travelers the impression that Cleveland is a dirty, industrial town.

Where is this mess around the airport?

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Wahl_Wrighter

Love the the cultural amenities and diversity, view of the lake, view of the skyline from Edgewater Park, RTA, metroparks, University Circle, seeing the Italian and Hispanic women that are hard to find down here in Cincy, the relatively liberal feel of the area, and the resemblence of New England on the east side.

Hate that the city feel sorely underpopulated (abandoned, boarded up buildings, houses, etc. No pedestrian or vehicular traffic, which makes the city feel somewhat dead). What white-flight has done to the city. The "can't do/defeatist" attitude. Oh, and the mess out there near the airport that gives travelers the impression that Cleveland is a dirty, industrial town.

You forgot to mention what black-flight has done to the city as well.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

Where is this mess around the airport?

Probably the looming Ford Plant and its smokestacks...kind of like the ''Welcome to Cleveland'' poster. Haven't noticed, on my recent visits to Cleveland, if the smoke is still belching out as it used to.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Probably the looming Ford Plant and its smokestacks...kind of like the ''Welcome to Cleveland'' poster. Haven't noticed, on my recent visits to Cleveland, if the smoke is still belching out as it used to.

I don't see how that is bad compared to New York, Northern New Jersey, or Philadelphia by their airports.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

I don't see how that is bad compared to New York, Northern New Jersey, or Philadelphia by their airports.

I didn't bring it up; just defined what the poster mentioned and you questioned.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Wahl_Wrighter

Love the the cultural amenities and diversity, view of the lake, view of the skyline from Edgewater Park, RTA, metroparks, University Circle, seeing the Italian and Hispanic women that are hard to find down here in Cincy, the relatively liberal feel of the area, and the resemblence of New England on the east side.

Hate that the city feel sorely underpopulated (abandoned, boarded up buildings, houses, etc. No pedestrian or vehicular traffic, which makes the city feel somewhat dead). What white-flight has done to the city. The "can't do/defeatist" attitude. Oh, and the mess out there near the airport that gives travelers the impression that Cleveland is a dirty, industrial town.

The negatives apply to Cincy as well...major white-flight and abandonment. I know Cincy's airport is over in Kentucky and I recall it as not being heavy industry.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Kamms

The negatives apply to Cincy as well...major white-flight and abandonment. I know Cincy's airport is over in Kentucky and I recall it as not being heavy industry.

Cincy's abandonment, like Pittsburgh's, is well hidden because of how it is built and within the topography.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by Kamms

I didn't bring it up; just defined what the poster mentioned and you questioned.

Never said you did. I made it a point to say that New York and other places have the same thing.