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Oh, for heaven's sake: more rhetoric about how unemployment is the fault of the universities rather than big business or the government. It's sort of ridiculous to say that universities aren't "preparing" students and that this is the reason why said students are not being hired by businesses. Puh-lease.
It's sort of an oxymoron to say that we need people whose education prepares them for the workforce; education teaches you to think, usually for yourself, and to realize who you are and what you--rather than an employer--want out of life; work prepares you for the work force and teaches you how to be a successful employee and, later, employer.
If Obama wants students who are prepared for the workforce, then I suggest four years of jobs/internships rather than four years of reading books and attending lectures.
"The best economic policy is one that produces more college graduates," he told the audience at Kenmore Middle School. "We need to make sure we're graduating students who are ready for college and ready for careers." President Obama
Haven't people who went to college gotten us into the mess we are in? Both Bush and Obama went to prestigious schools. How is their education working for you? Academic elitism and people trying to "fix" people doesn't work either. We need to produce college graduates? How?
We don't need *more* graduates...we need *better* graduates that don't only grow off ivy vines.
Poor man can't win. How can you argue for the populace to uneducated? Big business and dumbazzs like michelle bachman (wants to eliminate the board of education) want to keep the masses uninformed thus easily manipulated by the media (faux and others)
Oh, for heaven's sake: more rhetoric about how unemployment is the fault of the universities rather than big business or the government. It's sort of ridiculous to say that universities aren't "preparing" students and that this is the reason why said students are not being hired by businesses. Puh-lease.
It's sort of an oxymoron to say that we need people whose education prepares them for the workforce; education teaches you to think, usually for yourself, and to realize who you are and what you--rather than an employer--want out of life; work prepares you for the work force and teaches you how to be a successful employee and, later, employer.
If Obama wants students who are prepared for the workforce, then I suggest four years of jobs/internships rather than four years of reading books and attending lectures.
Not everyone can be a college graduate... or should be.
And who is qualified to make the determination of who can be, or can't? I think everyone should be prepared to be able to attend college. I am very much opposed to vocational programs in high school that are supposed to prepare kids for the job they will have until their retirement, which will probably be age 70 for today's high school students. I'm fine with voc courses that also have students taking the courses one needs to get into college. I think that except for the intellectually disabled, everyone can go to college. This doesn't mean I think everyone should go; you have to want to go.
And who is qualified to make the determination of who can be, or can't? I think everyone should be prepared to be able to attend college. I am very much opposed to vocational programs in high school that are supposed to prepare kids for the job they will have until their retirement, which will probably be age 70 for today's high school students. .
Yeah, this sort of thing reduces social mobility. Kids from working-class families typically don't have people telling them about college and they will instead take vocational classes, ignore college and their future will be locked in the same socioeconomic status as their parents.
And who is qualified to make the determination of who can be, or can't? I think everyone should be prepared to be able to attend college. I am very much opposed to vocational programs in high school that are supposed to prepare kids for the job they will have until their retirement, which will probably be age 70 for today's high school students. I'm fine with voc courses that also have students taking the courses one needs to get into college. I think that except for the intellectually disabled, everyone can go to college. This doesn't mean I think everyone should go; you have to want to go.
The person who posted did not state that anyone person, or entity would make a decision about who would be a college graduate. He (she?) simply stated that not everyone should be a college graduate. Do you seriously think that every single person should be a college graduate?
It's like the No Child Left Behind requirement that 100% of students be reading on grade level by third grade. It sound GREAT right? Of course every child should read on grade level and everyone should be a college graduate. But the truth is that some people cannot read on grade level no matter how hard teachers try to get them to do it. And some people are not cut out to be college graduates no matter how hard anyone wants that to be the case.
I don't think there should be any entity that establishes who will and who will not become a college graduate but that does not mean that EVERYONE will become a college graduate.
The person who posted did not state that anyone person, or entity would make a decision about who would be a college graduate. He (she?) simply stated that not everyone should be a college graduate. Do you seriously think that every single person should be a college graduate?
It's like the No Child Left Behind requirement that 100% of students be reading on grade level by third grade. It sound GREAT right? Of course every child should read on grade level and everyone should be a college graduate. But the truth is that some people cannot read on grade level no matter how hard teachers try to get them to do it. And some people are not cut out to be college graduates no matter how hard anyone wants that to be the case.
I don't think there should be any entity that establishes who will and who will not become a college graduate but that does not mean that EVERYONE will become a college graduate.
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Originally Posted by Milleka
Not everyone can be a college graduate... or should be.
There is some value judgement with the word "should". That is my argument with this statement. Who is to decide who "should" or "shouldn't" go to college, with the intention of graduating? It ought to be up to the person. I am not a believer that there is some subset of people who "can't" do college, and that these people can be identified. I do not think there are very many, if any, people who should be "counseled out" of college, for example. With community colleges having open enrollment, anyone who wants to give it a try ought to be able to do just that.
NCLB is a different issue, and has no particular relation to this conversation.
There is some value judgement with the word "should". That is my argument with this statement. Who is to decide who "should" or "shouldn't" go to college, with the intention of graduating? It ought to be up to the person. I am not a believer that there is some subset of people who "can't" do college, and that these people can be identified. I do not think there are very many, if any, people who should be "counseled out" of college, for example. With community colleges having open enrollment, anyone who wants to give it a try ought to be able to do just that.
NCLB is a different issue, and has no particular relation to this conversation.
There are some people who SHOULD NOT go to college. Of course, they should be the ones to decide but some people just shouldn't go.
What I was trying to say when I referenced NCLB is that there are some statements that sound good to everyone. Who could be against kids reading on grade level? Nobody. However, if you really think about the statement it is ridiculous. 100% of kids will not be able to achieve reading on grade level.
Saying that everyone should go to college is the same TYPE of statement as the previous one. The statement was meant to be an EXAMPLE of a similar statement that sounds great until you really think about what it means not a discussion of NCLB. Surely you can understand that.
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