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Old 10-18-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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One writer out of how many thousands, millions of unemployed grads?
There are not millions of unemployed people with graduate degrees. There is not even two million unemployed people with bachelor's degrees.
Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment
Even assuming that graduate degree holders have the same unemployment rate as 4 year degree holders, with just under 13 million Americans with graduate degrees, that puts the total number of unemployed grads at less than 533,000 (and some of those 13 million are no longer in the working age population, so it is actually less than that).
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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One writer out of how many thousands, millions of unemployed grads?
I must not understand what you were trying to say, because I don't see what that has to do with what I said.

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I wish all of these liberal arts grads from 20+ years ago would stop applying their experience to today's new grads. Times were WAY different and the market and economy were different and jobs were plentiful.
It's obvious that times are different. It's also obvious to me that degrees in the arts can still be useful and relevant. It helps to have a career in mind. I originally wanted to be an English teacher--or I thought I did--but I couldn't think of many jobs where I could use an English degree, other than teacher or author. Could someone with an Engineering degree do my job? Sure, if she's a good writer, and many technical writers have science backgrounds. An English or other writing-based degree would be more relevant, though.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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I must not understand what you were trying to say, because I don't see what that has to do with what I said.
You mentioned someone hiring ONE writer. What does that have to do with anything?



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It's obvious that times are different. It's also obvious to me that degrees in the arts can still be useful and relevant. It helps to have a career in mind. I originally wanted to be an English teacher--or I thought I did--but I couldn't think of many jobs where I could use an English degree, other than teacher or author. Could someone with an Engineering degree do my job? Sure, if she's a good writer, and many technical writers have science backgrounds. An English or other writing-based degree would be more relevant, though.
I have seen some terrible writers with English majors. My writing outshines their writing, yet I'm not studying English.

An Engineer can do what a English major does, but not the other way around.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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There are not millions of unemployed people with graduate degrees. There is not even two million unemployed people with bachelor's degrees.
Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment
Even assuming that graduate degree holders have the same unemployment rate as 4 year degree holders, with just under 13 million Americans with graduate degrees, that puts the total number of unemployed grads at less than 533,000 (and some of those 13 million are no longer in the working age population, so it is actually less than that).
But there are millions of underemployed grads.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:12 PM
 
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You mentioned someone hiring ONE writer. What does that have to do with anything?





I have seen some terrible writers with English majors. My writing outshines their writing, yet I'm not studying English.

An Engineer can do what a English major does, but not the other way around.
Pompous much?

By the way...it should be AN English major, not A English major. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I have to agree, they may be employed, but I know someone that has a degree in poly sci, went back for another degree in criminal justice and he STILL doesn't have a job, oh he also tried law school and that didn't work either. I honestly don't know what he is going to do.
I'm not surprised, because all those fields are practically dead. Yes, even law is dead for the vast majority of graduates.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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I can't seem to understand how anybody can be so judgmental of what others choose to study in college. Jobs for those in the liberal arts may not be plentiful...but even so-called "safe" majors are risky. Money isn't everything to everybody. Yes, after spending all of this time and money in college, a career in which I can support myself is important. However, why must people assume that there are NO jobs in which liberal arts can be applied?

I am an English major with a background in healthcare. Who's to say I can't utilize both? I may also get lucky and obtain an adjunct teaching position at a community college which may lead to a tenured position.

Who knows what the future holds? It is certainly uncertain for everybody. However, I would rather take the risk and study something I am passionate about and talented at than spend the rest of my life wondering, "What might have happened had I majored in English?"
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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This topic always gets beaten to death.

I'm an English major, have worked in a variety of fields, and have never had my employment in any of that variety of fields adversely affected by my choice of degree program. It's always been an asset, as have my skills obtained therein.

I'm not so foolish/arrogant as to think that I'm some sort of special, special case, and that this sort of good fortune can only have befallen me. People who use their skills and degrees to their advantage and make themselves invaluable through their work product generally don't have to sit around assigning blame to their choice of major. Yeah, sh*t happens and sometimes the job market isn't in your favor. But that's tied to a much larger issue than liberal arts majors being purportedly useless. There aren't useless degrees...just people who are, for various reasons, unable to put them to appropriate use. Those reasons might be due to external factors, or, as in many cases, they might be tied to user error. You can't always blame the degree. In fact, that's rarely the problem.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Well, as I said before, I think that English majors DO have a chance at getting a decent job, it may not be the best paying,but it is decent. I am not so confident in my major though. I really do want to go back to school though. My first love was foreign language and that was not so great either. I will say this, that I was surprised when I saw a list on MSN of the top 10 worst degrees and English was number 10 while mine was nt even on there!
That is really surprising! I would think English majors would be able to find a job seeing as how English major = excellent writing and communication skills, which would be vital to most companies, I think.

Unless u tipe liek dis and say things like "i ain't gonna do dat job 4 u"



What was your major?
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:21 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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It's not about the money for everyone. Some people would rather teach music for 40k a year than do other peoples tax returns for 80k a year.
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