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Old 08-06-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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How Do Student Characteristics Predict University Graduation Odds?

Researcher Tim Gramling, LP.D., conducted research on characteristics of more than 2,500 students from the full population of one large, for-profit university and found that higher GPA, fulltime enrollment status, race, a higher number of transfer credits when enrolling, and higher expected family contribution weighed most heavily in accurately predicting higher graduation odds. Taken together, these five characteristics predict graduation rates with 86.9% accuracy.

Tim Gramling. How Five Student Characteristics Accurately Predict For-Profit University Graduation Odds. SAGE Open, July-September 2013 DOI: 10.1177/2158244013497026

How do student characteristics predict university graduation odds?
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Mine would have shown ZERO aptitude to graduate college. None of my teachers thought I was capable--Graduated with honors and a 3.87 GPA.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Mine would have shown ZERO aptitude to graduate college. None of my teachers thought I was capable--Graduated with honors and a 3.87 GPA.
So what changed between high school and college? Did you go right from high school to college or did you spend some time growing up first?
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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Mine would have shown ZERO aptitude to graduate college. None of my teachers thought I was capable--Graduated with honors and a 3.87 GPA.
the study is the opposite of what you are saying and what your teacher did. it doesn't try to measure aptitude, it only makes some statistical observations

in case anyone cares, the full study is here:

How Five Student Characteristics Accurately Predict For-Profit University Graduation Odds

i was put off by the clear agenda in the abstract (for profit schools are good) as well as the obvious conflict of interest of the author:

Tim Gramling (LPD, Northeastern University; MS, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill; and BA, Harvard University) is president of the Colorado campuses of Colorado Technical University, a for-profit institution serving several thousand students in the state of Colorado and more than 20,000 nationwide

the entire sample was taken from a for profit school. i don't really see how the study could possibly say anything about the for-profit versus non-profit debate

meh
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Mine would have shown ZERO aptitude to graduate college. None of my teachers thought I was capable--Graduated with honors and a 3.87 GPA.
Higher education generally hates late bloomers. That is why college "prestige" is held in such high regards by some people. We often extrapolate from one's high school performance and SAT scores in order to predict that person's ultimate success in life. It's generally considered a one-shot deal. No re-do's. Your perceived intelligence is considered fixed by the end of high school, no matter how well you end up doing in college or thereafter.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Higher education generally hates late bloomers. That is why college "prestige" is held in such high regards by some people. We often extrapolate from one's high school performance and SAT scores in order to predict that person's ultimate success in life. It's generally considered a one-shot deal. No re-do's. Your perceived intelligence is considered fixed by the end of high school, no matter how well you end up doing in college or thereafter.
Oooh. I completely disagree.

It's college performance that means everything in this world and is the important one which you can't redo.

Sparkling performance in (a decent) college can gain you access to medical school, pHd programs, and Top Tier Law School (though that last one may not be a good thing), and an automatic ticket to upper middle class.

OTOH, a person with a Northwestern degree and a 2.5 won't have those options. Sure, he might get a few more oohs and aahs than you. That and 35 cents buys you a bag of chips.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Oooh. I completely disagree.

It's college performance that means everything in this world and is the important one which you can't redo.

Sparkling performance in (a decent) college can gain you access to medical school, pHd programs, and Top Tier Law School (though that last one may not be a good thing), and an automatic ticket to upper middle class.

OTOH, a person with a Northwestern degree and a 2.5 won't have those options. Sure, he might get a few more oohs and aahs than you. That and 35 cents buys you a bag of chips.
I think you misunderstood my post.

You are absolutely correct - college performance SHOULD have much more weight in predicting a person's success in life compared to high school performance. The point I was trying to make, however, was that many people don't view it that way.

Think about it, you never hear someone say "Oh, he got a 3.9 GPA at MIT, he must be smart!", you instead hear "Oh, he went to MIT, he must be smart!". It's as if high school stats were all that mattered in the end.
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