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And because many of them come from an background or country with a numbers-driven college entrance examination system, they think that their children with the highest test scores and grades should be admitted. It doesn't quite work that way.
I try to get them to consider fit rather than just the name, but it's pretty darned hard.
Yeah, it's not just them though. The whole country has this tendency to think higher scores = deserves entry more... at least when they think that benefits them. LOL
Meanwhile, that's not how admissions at these places actually works. Whether your test score is 92th percentile of 98th percentile, as long as you successfully persued a rigourous high school courseload the assumption is you can probably do the work. They are looking for more than that, hence the common admission phrase "fit and match".
They don't simply want the highest scorers and they never will.
That said I do believe that Asians tend to get ranked against each other kinda, and used for their scores if that makes sense. It helps keeps the average SAT up high whch keeps the schools high in rankings. I've actually seen people do it.
I'm pretty sure your statement is stereotyping, generalizing, and racist.
The truth is that Harvard/Princeton/Ivy Leagues don't want too many Asians on their campus. Asians have the overall resumes to get into these schools, but it's clearly not enough (i.e. they don't have the skin color). Asian Americans beat the admissions systems at their own game (high GPA, high SAT, massive extracurricular actives, volunteer, internships, recommendations, etc) so the admissions system is responding by discriminatory means.
Universities don't just do racial diversity. They do geographic diversity. They ensure people get in from all 50 states and from a variety of countries. They also ensure a certain amount of rich people get in. Wealthy families who donate considerable sums of money to the university are assured to get in.
As someone who has both a bachelor's degree and a masters degree from an Ivy League, I'll let you in on a secret. Anyone who takes classes at an Ivy League, pays in CASH, does well, can formally apply to ADMISSIONS and they will GET IN.
The other problem some Asians may face is if a bunch of people go to the same schools and and if there are a high percentage of A students, then you don't stand out. Universities tend to accept the top 5%.
And of course, universities are not compelled to accept lots of people from the same high school.
Universities don't just do racial diversity. They do geographic diversity. They ensure people get in from all 50
If it didn’t work Harvard wouldn’t be sued right now. And we’re not talking about some random universities, we’re talking about Harvard.
Asian discrimination is real at Harvard and it’s how you get diversity.
I’ll let you in on a little secret, it’s called Fisher versus University of Texas. It allows colleges to use race as a factor into admissions.
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Outcome: The race-conscious admissions program in use at the time of petitioner’s application is lawful under the Equal Protection Clause. The judgement of the Fifth Circuit is affirmed.
Yeah, it's not just them though. The whole country has this tendency to think higher scores = deserves entry more... at least when they think that benefits them. LOL
Harvard University is fighting to keep its secretive admissions process under wraps. They want transparency from others, just don't care to offer it to others.
The other problem some Asians may face is if a bunch of people go to the same schools and and if there are a high percentage of A students, then you don't stand out. Universities tend to accept the top 5%.
And of course, universities are not compelled to accept lots of people from the same high school.
Oh, that's a problem - a lot of Asian families apply to the same narrow grouping of schools - the usual suspects - the Ivies, USC, NYU, CMU, etc., and don't really consider other schools that may be a better fit for them, such as smaller, liberal arts colleges. So they all end up fighting or competing for the same spots.
Conservative activists like Ed Blum and Ron Unz have spent two decades trying to use affirmative action as a wedge to split Asian-Americans from the coalition of voters of color who tend to vote Democratic.
I get sick of affirmative action and all the crap about diversity when it comes to jobs and colleges. If you're Asian-American, White-American, Afro-American, Native-American, or Whatever-American the key word for college admissions should be AMERICAN.
Colleges also accept lots of non-Americans. Students from many different countries come to America to attend college. 1.1 million international students attended a college in the USA in 2017.
Conservative activists like Ed Blum and Ron Unz have spent two decades trying to use affirmative action as a wedge to split Asian-Americans from the coalition of voters of color who tend to vote Democratic.
You certainly don't speak for many Asian-Americans, increasingly so among Asians who (at this very time) are finding out discrimination towards them (de facto or de jure) is ok, PC-wise as long as it serves progressive values (ie non-Asian minority representation). Just this year the huge fracas over NYC selective schools (single academic test merit-based) with the Hispanic Chancellor stating Asians (you people) "don't own the schools" = schools which are majority Asian and which are majority reduced or free-lunch (that's their parents' income level). There is also support for this among many anti-Asian minorities in places where Asians have been seen as getting ahead. There were a lot of protests by Asians all over NYC, covered in the Asian language presses but NOT in the liberal mainstream press, against the policy to engineer the right kind of diversity at these schools (at the expense of Asians). Asians are increasingly looking at independent voting, due to distaste for the current republican party and its abhorrent leaders and the fundamental deceit of "progressives." Its a choice between ignorance or deception with those two, in broad terms.
Your simplistic self-serving notions that Asians are automatically democratic is a facile nonsense. And it does disservice to the Asians - some of whom effectively come from 3rd world countries like the Philippines of Bangladesh, who have a -50 point disadvantage on the college entry standardized scores compared to the born-in-the-US black kid who can be middle class. Affirmative action my ass. Discriminatory action - call it what it is.
This whole thing, and Harvard's continual hiding and dragging of its feet over releasing their incriminating anti-Asian discriminatory data, is inconvenient for certain political dogmas - like your obvious one.
You are right to point out the problems of legacy admissions, but at the same time are happy to further discriminate based on race! Why not be intellectually honest with yourself instead of this silly binary dogma of liberal vs republican - that's a sham divide, both are dogmatic oppositions that involve dishonesty on some level. Any person who can get into Harvard should already have the critical thinking skills to know that.
You posted a bunch of links. Have you got a link as to what to say to your racist college student niece who thinks its ok to discriminate based on race if its on the right side of the PC fence? Who doesn't realize her per se racism. We already have got to the point where its clear Asians are discriminated against - people like you doing jack **** about that just saying - "look over there! At what the white people are doing to {insert non-Asian minority here}!"
Let me update the Asian American Coalition of Education on your post and tell them the years they've spent fighting this discrimination, on behalf of the 60 Asian grassroots organizations they represent, and their all-Asian leadership, are barking up the wrong tree. Its all just a cunning ploy by those oh-so-cerebral republicans.
Don't get blinded by anti-republican politics (understandable but still) to the point where you become intellectually dishonest.
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