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I wonder though how many of those towering minds would be selected under today's school systems? Would their minds have been given a chance the today's 11th grade or would they be labeled trouble makers because they don't fit within the school's expectations?
Exactly. And they may not be given a chance if they weren't athletes, weren't "leaders", and didn't check any affirmative action boxes.
It is not a random selection of all people.It is a random lottery selection from all qualified candidates.
Let us assume the Ivy has 20 slots and 100 applicants.. Using basic criteria like GPA and a basic acceptable test scores and some AP classes taken, you will have
10 truly outstanding and gifted candidates - take them in
40 applicants not meeting the basic criteria - reject them
50 applicants who are so close to each other that even as it stands now their selection is subjective - those can be entered in a lottery and 10 chosen.
There was a good episode of using lottery to choose winners of qualified business applications in Nigeria for business grants and it was not any different from having to individually rank them and choose them. Even top economists were impressed by how the process works
OP, accepting community college students =/= "random" admissions. And just because perhaps most of the students at CC's around the country aren't interested in their studies, doesn't mean all of them are disinterested. Perhaps you could explain why you're drawing such broad generalizations, that they depart from reality. Am I missing something here? Because I can't discuss your topic without having those questions clarified, first. The topic doesn't make sense to me, the way it's presented.
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It is not a random selection of all people.It is a random lottery selection from all qualified candidates.
Let us assume the Ivy has 20 slots and 100 applicants.. Using basic criteria like GPA and a basic acceptable test scores and some AP classes taken, you will have
10 truly outstanding and gifted candidates - take them in
40 applicants not meeting the basic criteria - reject them
50 applicants who are so close to each other that even as it stands now their selection is subjective - those can be entered in a lottery and 10 chosen.
There was a good episode of using lottery to choose winners of qualified business applications in Nigeria for business grants and it was not any different from having to individually rank them and choose them. Even top economists were impressed by how the process works
Random assignment was used to decide SOME of the Nigerian grant winners. The best applications on merit were funded first.
The Ivies would fight blind admission lotteries as you outlined above. They simply must be able to rig admissions in order to meet self identified SJ metrics. Keep in mind Harvard regularly and systematically admits students from preferred racial and ethnic backgrounds with much, much lower inbound metrics than other from less preferred backgrounds.
GIven admissions are test optional this year, admissions are going to end up being a little bit more random anyway. Are students who aren't submitting scores doing it because they got low scores but don't want to reveal them or are they the students who might have had really high scores but their ACT and SAT tests were repeatedly canceled due to COVID? There will be some of both and top universities won't know who is from which group.
They say that admissions are test optional, but I wonder how many top caliber students are actually not finding ways to get tested
Random assignment was used to decide SOME of the Nigerian grant winners. The best applications on merit were funded first.
The Ivies would fight blind admission lotteries as you outlined above. They simply must be able to rig admissions in order to meet self identified SJ metrics. Keep in mind Harvard regularly and systematically admits students from preferred racial and ethnic backgrounds with much, much lower inbound metrics than other from less preferred backgrounds.
What do you mean, "rig admissions"? Having admissions criteria is not "rigging admissions".
They say that admissions are test optional, but I wonder how many top caliber students are actually not finding ways to get tested
Many students who want to take SAT or ACT tests have had the test canceled on them, or found themselves reassigned to a different site hundreds of miles away, sometimes within 24 hours of the test.
My state administers the test to all juniors as our state assessment test, so my junior will take the SAT in a couple of weeks. But I know of many families whose kids have signed up multiple times and still not been able to take it
What do you mean, "rig admissions"? Having admissions criteria is not "rigging admissions".
It is when large numbers of candidates with significantly better metrics are passed over for large numbers of students with significantly worse metrics.
GIven admissions are test optional this year, admissions are going to end up being a little bit more random anyway. Are students who aren't submitting scores doing it because they got low scores but don't want to reveal them or are they the students who might have had really high scores but their ACT and SAT tests were repeatedly canceled due to COVID? There will be some of both and top universities won't know who is from which group.
The Ivies won't be selecting students 'randomly'. :-) With an admittance rate of 4.6% (i.e. Harvard, for example), ACT/SAT tests scores are only part of the equation (and will still be accepted). It's as if you're tossing aside transcripts/IB students, GPA, teacher evaluations, letters of recommendation, proven leadership and so on i.e. anything but 'random' - particularly considering the aforementioned speaks more directly to (potential) performance/college success as a whole, than simply a high ACT/SAT score in and of itself.
The Ivies won't be selecting students 'randomly'. :-) With an admittance rate of 4.6% (i.e. Harvard, for example), ACT/SAT tests scores are only part of the equation (and will still be accepted). It's as if you're tossing aside transcripts/IB students, GPA, teacher evaluations, letters of recommendation, proven leadership and so on i.e. anything but 'random' - particularly considering the aforementioned speaks more directly to (potential) performance/college success as a whole, than simply a high ACT/SAT score in and of itself.
Great speech but you and I both know that you didn't get into whatever great law school your sheepskin indicates with a poor LSAT.
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